Chainsaw Vibration and Hand/Arm Health

Has anyone had success mitigating fatigue and inflammation in the hands and arms?
I'm 32 and mostly fall trees to clear for new power lines. In some cases I'm cutting hundreds of trees a week with a skid steer slamming it all into a chipper as quickly as possible. Inflammation and weakness in my hands is becoming more common, and I think that the vibration of the saw is the main factor aside from the repetitive movements. I'll switch industries within the next few years because I know I won't last and this seems like more of a gig than a career path, but I'm interested in hearing recommendations on saving my hands from long term damage.
I can run the skid steer more but I dont trust the other guy 100% as a faller. At least on a motorcycle I feel like gloves make me grip tighter, increasing discomfort, but maybe thinner gloves would help. Maybe some sort of soft grip or wrap to absorb vibration on the handles? Saws in top shape also makes the cutting easier of course.
My hands are often stiff when I wake up and I've even felt like I couldnt firmly grasp small parts sometimes. Its really unsettling at this age.

Might want to try contacting:
http://www.CORErgonomicsolutions.com
This is Ed Carpenter & his pHD sister.
I've never used them; but Ed is a world class climber & instructor.

I have been to a chainsaw class by Ed; very illuminating.
If you are not close, perhaps they can provide links, contacts, suggestions, .............
 
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Summer:
Turmeric
Multi-vitamin
Fish oil
Joint medicine
Potassium

Winters :
All stuff listed above and I just added arginine for blood flow in winter....ailments start arising when I’m not as physical....seems to be working
 
Fruits, veggies, and potatoes provide plenty of vitamins and minerals, including those that are important electrolytes. They're also quite rehydrating in the heat too.
 
I pushed it far enough to get 'White Finger' in Florida summer.
Also, visible half inch bump on wrist from carpal tunnel sin.
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Massage hands, finger pulling helps on finger.

There was also this crockpot of scented melted paraffin neighbor girl would have me stick hand in (used to be therapist)
>>coating/sealing hand,then wrap in plastic shopping bag then towel after work.
>>Very comforting/calming to inflammation >> 20 mins. of very moist heat
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I'm convinced this straightened out tendons thru tunnel, eliminated bump and pain.
Took time, already had to back off and manage own abuses more.

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More water. And cut out sugar as much as possible. I agree that winter months suck for drinking water. I can go all day and realize that I’ve only drank coffee. It’s no wonder I hurt like hell the next morning.
I went to the ER a few years ago right on the first of the year. Both of my hands were swelled up like they were broken. All I did for a week prior was run the log splitter, hence the visit since it scared the hell out of me. Severe tendinitis inflammation. The answer was drink more water. I’m working on cutting sugar from my diet because I really don’t want to feed any cancer that I could possibly get.
 
Woa, dunno if this’ll help but here goes - some stuff from my old IH days. Occupational health standards (TLV's) exist for hand/ arm vibration (HAVS) in most western jurisdictions. There is tons of information on the web about this stuff.
An example can be found at:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/83-110/

Diet and stretching may help but for the most part these types of injuries are actually physical ones - to the blood vessels, to the nerves or to the tendons and tendon sheaths.
So reduction or elimination of some of the vibration will go a long way to prevention of these types of injury. Why wait for symptoms - start to take care now!
1) Where possible, choose lower vibration tools - have a look at the vibration specs for the saws/ grinders you use or are going to purchase - just like noise standards, manufacturers do test equipment for vibration (required in Europe). And are you sure you want to use that chainsaw powerhead powered stump grinder for hours rather than a big one that has remote controls? Plan to reduce the wear and tear on your body over time. It all adds up (vibration damage is cumulative)
2) Try using electric/ battery saw/ tools where possible - these generally have less vibration
3) Always wear gloves*** see below
4) Consider taping up before work - a sports physio can probably show you how to do this
5) Keep hands dry and warm and try not to cut above your head or work with your arms raised for extended periods - as has been mentioned above, cutting with a more neutral body position rather than at weird angles will help prevent strains and pulls. Two handed saw use also distributes the load a bit more - another reason not to single hand.
6) Maybe try using the “hardwood” file guide for rakers rather than the “softwood” side to give you a less aggressive cut/ less vibration?

I can vouch for the MSM and ibuprofen (old soccer referees prayer at 4 day tournaments - “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ibuprofen”) but long term use of any NSAIDS (non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs) aren’t really that great for your kidney function way down the road - they still are drugs. And NSAIDS shouldn’t be combined with alcohol or other drugs such as blood pressure medications ’n stuff. Alcohol and smoking can both affect the peripheral flow of blood to the fingers and toes so hold off on these, esp. when working in cold weather.

If you do trash a tendon sheath or start to have a bunch of pain at night and stiffness in the morning - see a doctor, preferably an occupational health doctor - they’re apt to be more familiar with ergonomics types of injuries than your family GP. And physio can help wonders in recovery.


*** The international standard ISO 10819 for reduced vibration gloves (called “A/V or Anti- Vibration gloves”) was introduced in 1996. Only full-finger protected gloves are tested since HAVS always begins at the finger tips and moves towards the palm. Finger exposed gloves are not recommended. Gloves which meet or exceed ISO 10819 are recommended, but using certified A/V gloves alone will not solve the HAV problem.

can’t beat the UK HSE stuff, I think:
http: //www.hse.gov.uk/vibration/hav/yourhands.htm

and
for more than you’ll ever want to know about this stuff:
https: //www.acgih.org/forms/store/ProductFormPublic/hand-arm-vibration-tlv-r-physical-agents-7th-edition-documentation
 
A simple way to check for hydration, summer or winter, nail bed capillaries


spread your fingers out and then gently pinch each fingernail to squeeze out the blood. Not hard, not even a real pinch. Say 'capillary refill' and the red in the nailbed should have returned. Do several fingers, both hands. You'll know what 'right' looks like. Do this when you know that you're hydrated so you have a comparison.

Its also a way to keep track of how your body reacts to low temperatures. You could be hydrated but the capillaries are shutting down to conserve heat to your core.
 
Really great to see all the advice and support here, approaching the problem from more angles than I could've ever thought of.
 
@evo I pruned some trees the other day, Topping Restoration. A lot like the mechanics of fruit tree work.
Sore.

I'm looking at getting a Zenport electric pruner for around $800, I think.



I figured something out. A watersprout, flexed to offer the hand pruner blade some tension-wood, cuts much more easily than just natural tension/ compression.
 
@evo I pruned some trees the other day, Topping Restoration. A lot like the mechanics of fruit tree work.
Sore.

I'm looking at getting a Zenport electric pruner for around $800, I think.



I figured something out. A watersprout, flexed to offer the hand pruner blade some tension-wood, cuts much more easily than just natural tension/ compression.
How are you positioning the pruners?
 
How do you mean?

I position them the normal way, as correct for the cut, and as ergonomic as possibly, just bending the limb a bit away from the blade of the hand-pruners.
 
@evo I pruned some trees the other day, Topping Restoration. A lot like the mechanics of fruit tree work.
Sore.

I'm looking at getting a Zenport electric pruner for around $800, I think.



I figured something out. A watersprout, flexed to offer the hand pruner blade some tension-wood, cuts much more easily than just natural tension/ compression.
Are these like the hydraulic ones? I have been using the ARS style “reach snips” and while they are great the ergonomics suck!
 
I meant blade on tension side?
I think he means blade on compression side, pull the tips up while cutting. This is pulling the fibers as the edge slices them. Like cutting a sheet of fabric with scissor, apply the right tension on the cloth and the scissors just slice through without having to lever them together
 
Bend the branch so the ergonomic side is the new tensioned side to blade, new compression side to the pruner anvil side.

Ignore natural compression and tension wood from gravity.
 

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