chainsaw ad - where's the chaps!

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Heat related fatigue is a valid concern.

Before we go down this road I would like to see the statistics about in-tree chainsaw cuts. Since there are countries where leg protection has been required for many years there ought to be enough stats to justify their use in the trees. Otherwise, I'm in the camp that says that this is likely a solution to a problem that [almost] doesn't exist.

Might we reduce in-tree accidents further by just getting climbers to use 2 tie-ins and no one handing in the tree first?
 
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More likely to cut the upper body in the tree than the legs. Brent a person is not bound by any rule. We are not sheep. They are all decisions, with risks. The sign says stop, you could obey, a rolling stop, or ignore. The risks; a ticket, vehicle damage, kill someone. After meeting you I'm sure you understand this. Sometimes the rulemakers are more screwed up than the people.
 
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Bit 'ol fashioned, but Lee or Wrangler's cotton denim also inhibit drive-sprocket-to-chain relationships. It might take and require a bit more fabric (alongside some bloody meat and possibly a small volume of bone material) to impair the power/efficiency transmission, but the violent action of cutting teeth tearing into flesh is reduced to where the victim won't experience complete loss of limb before the saw is rendered inoperable. Unless it's a 066 or larger.

Wearing chain-saw pants while working the canopy is like mandating steel-toe work boots for nude fine-art models.
 
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I really don't get the "chaps= heat exhastion" thing. Really? They cover the front of your legs, they dont wrap around your whole body. I have been wearing chaps/chainsaw pants since I was 17 and have worked in all that USA has to offer weather wise. I think it is more of a mind set. I wear my hardhat at all times, yet I have no dent in it from it being hit. I wear my saftey glasses, yet I have no cracks in them from being hit. I wear my hearing protection "now" so I can hear when I get older. These are all a form of preventing harm in case of an accident, if you never have one, then good for you. My goal for everyday is to come home to my wife and kids.
 
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I once took my boat out of her slip (under power) without wearing a USCG-approved PFD.

I think it's a question of risk/benefit. Just like GMC made - when paying-out settlements cost less than design modifications for their 1973-up 1/2ton pickup truck fuel tank location. It was a no-brainer until class actions were unified and death rates increased from the initial .02 per 100,000 owners.

In-tree use of protective fabric mandates should reflect, like Tom D's reference, the numbers of data indicating injurious actions specific to body areas while in tree - as opposed to ground work. Produce the numbers and quantify the mandates, should there be impositions of such. Arms, fingers, limbs, neck or faces...not applicable. Heat may not be issue inclusive of mandates in some areas - believe me...here it is. To risk failure or impose safety standards that enhance certain benefits - while directly introducing higher risk in other hazards (like peripheral-restrictive sight protection mandates for sky-crane operators) need to be adjustable and flexible. There is measurable risk increase for restrictions of movement and endurance of environment when introducing additional bodily wear for suspension workers mandated to apply certain attachment regulations and gear. We then factor-in the evidence...if any...that concludes from a perponderance of supportive data - the numbers of injuries documented to body areas of consideration the need for such guidelines or mandates.
 
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In other words - having to wear Kevlar while butt-slipping and ball-flooding volumes of sweat are soaking my trousers and boots and my core temps have increased by suppressing my transpiration-by-trousers, reasoning and cognition impaired by 100-plus degree heat...I might have just killed myself while valiantly trying to save myself - from myself.

Risk vs. benefit.
 
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I've been caught by a chainsaw three times, first I was learning how to use one and doing something very stupid; 6 stitches in my foot.

Second somebody else cut my sawpants WHILE I WAS WEARING THEM!!! I was pushing over a tree while he was cutting it.

Third I was hanging on my rope in an ackward position cutting a dead limb out of a white pine, the tip of the limb was caught in another and the butt pushed the bar down into my pants.

I agree its about thinking before cutting but I don't wear safety glasses they fog up and I get flack for it all the time, for you guys its; "I don't wear saw pants cause they get a little warm".
 
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In other words - having to wear Kevlar while butt-slipping and ball-flooding volumes of sweat are soaking my trousers and boots and my cognitive reasoning and eyesight abilities are impaired by 100-degree oppression, I might have just killed myself while valiantly trying to save myself - from myself.

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Chainsaw pant technology has come a long way in the past couple of years, buy a decent pair and they're not much warmer than a pair of jeans.
 
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Heat related fatigue is a valid concern.

Before we go down this road I would like to see the statistics about in-tree chainsaw cuts. Since there are countries where leg protection has been required for many years there ought to be enough stats to justify their use in the trees. Otherwise, I'm in the camp that says that this is likely a solution to a problem that [almost] doesn't exist.

Might we reduce in-tree accidents further by just getting climbers to use 2 tie-ins and no one handing in the tree first?

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In other words - having to wear Kevlar while butt-slipping and ball-flooding volumes of sweat are soaking my trousers and boots and my core temps have increased by suppressing my transpiration-by-trousers, reasoning and cognition impaired by 100-plus degree heat...I might have just killed myself while valiantly trying to save myself - from myself.

Risk vs. benefit.

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In other words - having to wear Kevlar while butt-slipping and ball-flooding volumes of sweat are soaking my trousers and boots and my cognitive reasoning and eyesight abilities are impaired by 100-degree oppression, I might have just killed myself while valiantly trying to save myself - from myself.

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Chainsaw pant technology has come a long way in the past couple of years, buy a decent pair and they're not much warmer than a pair of jeans.

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Got a link of what you're using?
 
Re: chainsaw ad - where\'s the chaps!

That safety glass fogging issue is a real concern. Mesh is the cure. It must mean we work harder than other trades if we're the only ones fogging up our glasses.
 
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Boreality, I was meerly pointing out the regs in SK. I attempted to put together a core group (like AB did) to address the concerns over the OH&S regs in Arboriculture in SK. Ummm no one cared enough to want to be part of the CHANGE process!!!!!

I don't use Chaps as I have to be both on the ground and then in the tree. I don't see chaps being used in tree, as much of an option. They are slippery and move around a bit. I am an avid CS pant user. I got whacked in the thigh once with a chainsaw, I am WAY ahead to the curve because I was wearing protection.
 
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See that's what I was saying. The rulemakers are more screwed up than the people. Just kidding. I do appreciate you guys that get involved for the groups good. I heard another rumour the TCC was coming to Saskatoon. Should I start training and show 'em what a 46yr old can do. I'm kind of afraid of training, seems like at this age I just get tired instead of stronger.
 
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I have a custom pair of chain pants. I took the protection out of a pair that I kept blowing out the crotch. Got a pair of atv pants with elastic panels in the crotch and knee for $50 and put the protection in them. I think they are about as comfortable and durable as any made, put the chainsaw suspenders on them. To be honest they take too long to dry if I wash them. I need 3 or more pairs I guess. So when I did wear them they didn't get washed often enough and I'd get pimples on my legs. Nothing like a deep saw cut but still not good. This past season just sucked business wise or I'd buy all kinds of equipment upgrades.
 
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