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hey i know iv seen this on the buzz but cant find it but does anyone know where the instructions are to make your own friction save out of the metal condutit tubing with the bike tube over top of it. i recently got one from new tribe, but i wanna make some instead of buying another one. plus i wanna make one that a splice can fit through.

thanks in advance

gone climbing
 
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hey i know iv seen this on the buzz but cant find it but does anyone know where the instructions are to make your own friction save out of the metal condutit tubing with the bike tube over top of it. i recently got one from new tribe, but i wanna make some instead of buying another one. plus i wanna make one that a splice can fit through.

thanks in advance

gone climbing

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This is the spec I use:
Black xtra flexible conduit

For the ends this T&B fitting is very good. There are others similar, Home Depot has something very close.

The fitting has the end cap inside it. you can't buy just the end cap (aka ground cone) unless you order 200 :-)

Here's mine in use, 3/4" x 30" conduit. If a spliced eye is made very tight you can get it though the 3/4" end cap, not ideal though. If you have a splice on only one end of your rope then just thread the conduit on and slide it up to the eye end and leave it there. If you climb daily you'll wear the conduit out pretty fast (month or 2), depending on how hard you beat on it. I climb 3 times a week or so and they last 6 months to a year. They're easy to inspect, when the vinyl cover starts to fall apart I replace. Move the end caps to a new piece of conduit, they last forever as far as I can tell.
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-AJ
 
Glad someone knew what was going on. I read that first post and was baffled on how you were splicing condutit and metal yourself. I guess I didn't get enough sleep yet this weekend.
 
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i would of like to have one of those just last week climbing those pines..... sap!!! NOT GOOD!!

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That type of saver is excellent on white pine, I have a short 1/2" diameter conduit sleeve on my lanyard for that reason:

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-AJ
 
For those of you who like to tinker, here's a version that I've been using - Pex plumbing pipe. It's smooth, flexible, cheap and many people have it lying around already. I've made a bunch of them and now have one on every lanyard and rope that I own. There are also two still in a tree (in difficult areas) with fish line ready to pull rope through for the next climb.

I have not used the conduit so I cannot comment on what the friction or any other differences may be. The Pex looks like it would break easy but it holds up surprisingly well (if you don't cut too far through).

For anyone wishing to try - I used a table saw to cut the grooves. Hack saws and band saws leave fuzz which would get in your rope. The tape is there to give some extra friction to help while I'm installing it. You wouldn't want this for your production climbing - but it's a thought to keep ideas flowing.
HUK
 

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I've been using the conduit version exactly like Moss's for several months now (Note: I don't climb everyday), and I have nothing but good things to say about it. It rides full time on my KMIII lanyard, which I use like a second climbing line (it's 30'), and man is it smooth.

I've also flipped up half a dozen spars with it still attached, and I don't know this for a fact, but I think something about the stiffness and weight of it made the lanyard flip superbly.

What a great tool for the bag.
 
If y'll need supplies and fittings let me know.

I have parts and conduit for the original House Sleeve and my current version using the ultra-flexible black jacket style.


Who would you all think would be a good vendor for me to contact for wholesaling?

Your comments are welcomed.

Dan House
 
Get one Kevin - I've never used the leather one, but I'm pretty confident that the conduit one is superior and just as rugged. Every time I use it I'm surprised how little friction there is and how smoothly it runs. Plus, it's a slightly improved bend ratio over a ring&ring friction saver, but that's obvious, and I still use a ring&ring for my main climbing line. I guess you're not climbing DdRT, but I'm sure you'd like it anyway.

Good work, Mr. House! Thank you! Get 'em out to the unwashed masses!
 
Hi all,

I'm late to this posting so bear with me. I've managed to break two of the housing savers in a matter of months. One was a particularly nerve-wracking experience for me as, I'd inspected it before climbing SRT, installed a DRT system using the housing saver, started to descend and then couldn't figure out why the saver was coming down the line with me - usually once it's in place it stays nicely. Lanyarded in to inspect and the housing had pulled apart leaving a nice sharp edge that was digging into my rope.

The first time I broke one I was literally just bending it (gently-ish) to see what bend ratio it had and again, the housing just separated. To New Tribe's credit I sent it back and they sent me a new one.

Thing is, I love this tool. I've never tried the leather saver as it seems bulky and I do own the other savers with the rings but again, heavy and "harder" to instal. Just my two cents!
 
I had New Tribe mail me three busted House Sleeves that were returned for replacement. They do take a licking and can be abused if ever the bending radius is torqued real tight you can pull apart the metal coil.

There are two manufactures that made this spec of conduit- one that has a circle lock and one that is spiral lock. The spiral lock is so much tuffer so that is the only kind I use.

The one that tore apart on you likely was not spiral lock and will live much longer. I still have a few that I have covered with duct tape instead of cleang the pine tar off of that look just ragged but still work well.

Friction Saver-sure; Rope Saver-better; Cambium Saver-of course. I even find that you can sling them like a bull whip and the rope snap end can be tossed great heights.

Just for fun- how bout a prize for the oldest House Sleeve still being used/abused? Photos speak a 1000 words but essays are welcome.

See you at the top,
Dan

PS John Gathright spoke at the 2010 Chicago ISA TCC/Rainout lecture day and shared his great story.
 
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Hi all,

I'm late to this posting so bear with me. I've managed to break two of the housing savers in a matter of months. One was a particularly nerve-wracking experience for me as, I'd inspected it before climbing SRT, installed a DRT system using the housing saver, started to descend and then couldn't figure out why the saver was coming down the line with me - usually once it's in place it stays nicely. Lanyarded in to inspect and the housing had pulled apart leaving a nice sharp edge that was digging into my rope.

The first time I broke one I was literally just bending it (gently-ish) to see what bend ratio it had and again, the housing just separated. To New Tribe's credit I sent it back and they sent me a new one.

Thing is, I love this tool. I've never tried the leather saver as it seems bulky and I do own the other savers with the rings but again, heavy and "harder" to instal. Just my two cents!

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As Treetramp mentioned, New Tribe is selling their saver with a better spec conduit now. However, I will bet serious money you were using the 1/2" inside diameter conduit with the older weaker black conduit spec. I broke several of those in one climb. I recommend using the 3/4" inside diameter conduit of the type I posted above. You will not have any problem with it breaking. As I said earlier, inspect before you install, if you see metal through the vinyl cover it's done. I've done intentional destructive testing on the 3/4" ID conduit and it does not cut the rope when it fails.

You can still crush any spec conduit by putting into a very tight V crotch on a super narrow diameter branch, I seem to do it anyway and will destroy conduit from time-to-time, never had problem with rope damage. Key concept is, don't set it in a position that will crush it.

I use conduit savers for SRT settings on thin-barked trees like beech and upper conifer limbs, works great.
-AJ
 
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Just for fun- how bout a prize for the oldest House Sleeve still being used/abused? Photos speak a 1000 words but essays are welcome.

See you at the top,
Dan


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I love my house sleeve, thanks Dan.

Mine is from 2007 - taking a little beating. I have three in assorted lenghts.

Ill have to dig up some photos or maybe just pull it out of the bag .

jz - on the mend and up again slowly
 
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