Biggest pine removal yet

[Tony]

well im on here to learn, and to be corrected and ashamed. Thats why my photos and posts are being honest even though i know it does not make me look good. i am an amateur. just like everyone was once.

Solo, No shame, just clarity. As an instructor there are times to simply draw a line in the sand and not mince words. Some things, like your anchor, are non negotiable when it comes to giving advice. I always state myself as clearly as possible.

Not beating you down. Lifting you higher.

Tony

 

[treesap]

Another option, if your climbing doubled rope. I wouldn't use this as a primary tie in point to work the tree but it's a good option once your down to spar work. There is potential for rope on rope, so a slow descent is recommended vs bombing out with this setup.

I will have to try that some day, think it would work with a a locking twist shackle instead of a quickie?

 

[treesap]

Once again someone who has absolutely no business handing out advice here is acting like he knows better than folks with decades of experience.

To be blunt, you dont know what your doing or talking about. Please do us all a favor (including yourself) and learn to listen to folks like Tony, and stop handing out advice that can and will get someone hurt...

im not acting like I know more than you or anyone else here, im just saying my opinion, ya know, 1st amendment, I can AND WILL say my opinion, and you can NOT stop me

 

[Jehinten]

I will have to try that some day, think it would work with a a locking twist shackle instead of a quickie?

I don't see why it wouldn't, just make sure to set the pin nice and tight. A rope running over it has the potential to unscrew the pic, which means dropping you.

 

[treesap]

I don't see why it wouldn't, just make sure to set the pin nice and tight. A rope running over it has the potential to unscrew the pic, which means dropping you.

I always make sure the moving side of the rope is on the "spine" of the shackle, once it stops raining I may go out and experiment with some stuff

 

[Jehinten]

I always make sure the moving side of the rope is on the "spine" of the shackle, once it stops raining I may go out and experiment with some stuff

I was going to elaborate and suggest that, or to orient the shackle to where the running rope would tighten the pin and not loosen.

As you suggested would be the safest/ most fool proof.

 

[Tony]

Another option, if your climbing doubled rope. I wouldn't use this as a primary tie in point to work the tree but it's a good option once your down to spar work. There is potential for rope on rope, so a slow descent is recommended vs bombing out with this setup.

Jehinten,

This is an extremely poor set up with any connecting link. There are so may better options that meet the criteria. This one is quite frankly absurd. It does not truly cinch, the best you could say it is perhaps it chokes. The rope to rope friction alone would piss a climber off, hopefully before the system failed.

Tony

 

[Jehinten]

Jehinten,

This is an extremely poor set up with any connecting link. There are so may better options that meet the criteria. This one is quite frankly absurd. It does not truly cinch, the best you could say it is perhaps it chokes. The rope to rope friction alone would piss a climber off, hopefully before the system failed.

Tony

I know your goal here is to be helpful and keep others safe, so I'll look a little closer at this. For a specific purpose, such as small movements down a trunk, I think it has merit vs ring and ring friction savers that cannot adjust small enough for the trunk size. For me though, a cinched SRS system is better, if that's what your climbing on. This option is for MRS.

Quite frankly I'm a little too tired to get too into too much of a discussion now, I just brought my son home (He was born on Monday), but I don't think there's anymore friction than the S.C.A.M. mechanical advantage that many have used and enjoy.

 

[treesap]

I just brought my son home

Congratulations on the little one Justin, give it a few years and he's gonna be wanting to climb

 

[Tony]

I know your goal here is to be helpful and keep others safe, so I'll look a little closer at this. For a specific purpose, such as small movements down a trunk, I think it has merit vs ring and ring friction savers that cannot adjust small enough for the trunk size. For me though, a cinched SRS system is better, if that's what your climbing on. This option is for MRS.

Quite frankly I'm a little too tired to get too into too much of a discussion now, I just brought my son home (He was born on Monday), but I don't think there's anymore friction than the S.C.A.M. mechanical advantage that many have used and enjoy.

Yes! Congratulation! That is way more important.

We can discuss the issues with sh#t this anytime. You won’t get these days back with your family.

Tony

 

[rico]

im not acting like I know more than you or anyone else here, im just saying my opinion, ya know, 1st amendment, I can AND WILL say my opinion, and you can NOT stop me

Bullshit...Folks who have been climbing for a living since before your were a gleam in your mama's eye are telling the Op NOT TO LEAVE STUBS, yet this your advice.. I always like to plan ahead, "Im using this stub as an anchor, so I will leave it on my way up". A direct contradiction to what real trained professional, who actually know what the fuck they are talking about, are telling the OP.

Your posts have continually proven that you know slightly more than nothing about climbing and cutting, so I have to ask. Do you even understand why leaving stubs is a bad idea, and why it can get folks hurt? Clearly you haven't yet figure out how to do something as elemental as properly setting a friction saver, so I kinda doubt it...Your modus operandi since the moment you showed up has been to ask a question, get answers from professional, disregard or question their advice, and then tell us what your gonna do..You can carry on with that nonsense if you wish, but now you are beginning to dish out advice that you are wholly unqualified to give. An entirely different matter son.. Your lack of knowledge and faulty advice has the potential to get people hurt... Please think about that the next time you feel the urge to imitate a tree-man on the inter-web.....Or maybe you could preface your advice by telling people that your are 14 years old, and actually have almost no knowledge or experience on the subject...

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[Solo Arbol]

Bushit...Folks who have been climbing for a living since before your were a gleam in your mama's eye are telling the Op NOT TO LEAVE STUBS, yet this your advice.. I always like to plan ahead, "Im using this stub as an anchor, so I will leave it on my way up". A direct contradiction to what real genuine trained professional who actually know what the fuck they are talking about are telling the OP.

Your posts have continually proven that you know slightly more than nothing about climbing and cutting, so I have to ask. Do you even understand why leaving stubs is a bad idea, and why it can get folks hurt? Clearly you haven't yet figure out how to do something as elemental as properly setting a friction saver, so I kinda doubt it...Your modus operandi since the moment you showed up has been to ask a question, get answers from professional, disregard or question their advice, and then tell us what your gonna do..You can carry on with that nonsense if you wish, but now you are beginning to dish out advice that you are wholly unqualified to give. A entirely different matter son.. Your lack of knowledge and faulty advice has the potential to get people hurt... Please think about that the next time you feel the urge imitate a tree-man on the inter-web.....Or maybe you could preface your advice by telling people that your are 14 years old, and actually have almost no experience or knowledge on the subject...

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He was the first to respond to this post, and me being new to the site assumed that i was not talking to a 14 year old, and someone with experience. I felt really silly after finding this out. Thank you for trying to encourage him to stop. Ive seen quite a bit of the chats. It makes me feel good that certified tree safety specialists and experts are here; that is what i want from this tool. Not advice from a 14 year old. Sorry treesap, im sure one day those boots will fit you, but for now its better to listen to the elders.

I dont do social media. no facebook, no instagram or any of that. youtube is good. but the fact that i finally made one on an innocent tree site; the first person talking to me is a 14 year old boy?

 

[treesap]

Bushit...Folks who have been climbing for a living since before your were a gleam in your mama's eye are telling the Op NOT TO LEAVE STUBS, yet this your advice.. I always like to plan ahead, "Im using this stub as an anchor, so I will leave it on my way up". A direct contradiction to what real trained professional, who actually know what the fuck they are talking about, are telling the OP.

Your posts have continually proven that you know slightly more than nothing about climbing and cutting, so I have to ask. Do you even understand why leaving stubs is a bad idea, and why it can get folks hurt? Clearly you haven't yet figure out how to do something as elemental as properly setting a friction saver, so I kinda doubt it...Your modus operandi since the moment you showed up has been to ask a question, get answers from professional, disregard or question their advice, and then tell us what your gonna do..You can carry on with that nonsense if you wish, but now you are beginning to dish out advice that you are wholly unqualified to give. An entirely different matter son.. Your lack of knowledge and faulty advice has the potential to get people hurt... Please think about that the next time you feel the urge to imitate a tree-man on the inter-web.....Or maybe you could preface your advice by telling people that your are 14 years old, and actually have almost no knowledge or experience on the subject...

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I can tell you EXACTLY why stubs are bad, you can swing into them, your climb line and rigging lines can snag them, anything your dropping can snag them, I am aware im not a professional, although im not stupid, we all know 2 + 2 = 4

 

[treesap]

the first person talking to me is a 14 year old boy?

a 14yo that has read darn near all the climbing related training material available, taken some ISA testing, gotten advice from people such as August Hunickie, climbed with professionals, and knows atleast basic safety and regulations (4" minimum wood size for life support, 5000# mbs for all metal devices for life support 5400# MBS for all synthetics/fabric never use rigging gear for life support, all life support must have automatic triple action locking gates)

if yall are gonna complain about me being stupid (Which im not) then I will just block every one of yall, it hurts me none

 

[rico]

He was the first to respond to this post, and me being new to the site assumed that i was not talking to a 14 year old, and someone with experience. I felt really silly after finding this out. Thank you for trying to encourage him to stop. Ive seen quite a bit of the chats. It makes me feel good that certified tree safety specialists and experts are here; that is what i want from this tool. Not advice from a 14 year old. Sorry treesap, im sure one day those boots will fit you, but for now its better to listen to the elders.

I dont do social media. no facebook, no instagram or any of that. youtube is good. but the fact that i finally made one on an innocent tree site; the first person talking to me is a 14 year old boy?

Thanks for your post @Solo Arbol. Much appreciated....Its really helpful to know who your talking to, and who is giving you advice, but unfortunately the inter web can make that very hard to do...

There are lots of charlatans, snake oil salesman, and folks who are less than honest slinging their nonsense of the web, and this place is no different.... Keep your head on a swivel, keep learning and you'll be more than alright Solo Arbol..

 

[Tony]

a 14yo that has read darn near all the climbing related training material available, taken some ISA testing, gotten advice from people such as August Hunickie, climbed with professionals, and knows atleast basic safety and regulations (4" minimum wood size for life support, 5000# mbs for all metal devices for life support 5400# MBS for all synthetics/fabric never use rigging gear for life support, all life support must have automatic triple action locking gates)

if yall are gonna complain about me being stupid (Which im not) then I will just block every one of yall, it hurts me none

Treesap,

I have been you. I have been, eager, earnest wanting to progress. I still am. The difference is not so much in years. Although there are enough in between us that I am slightly embarrassed by my progression on this big rock spinning around the sun.

The difference comes in attitude and perseverance. These in the end are the only two things we can control. How we see a situation and how we react to it.

As a young man, you only have attitude working for you. You have not lived long enough to experience true perseverance. There is no shame in this. It is simply a matter of time. Yet another thing we do not control.

Life is full of decisions. Lacking the time to build perseverance, I suggest you focus on attitude. For you now it is a time to listen, to digest, to compare and contrast, to form a judgement based not on whim, but experience. At first, experience of others, later your own.

True learning takes time. Time to see, understand, then master the principles of any subject. This is not to undervalue you, but to point out, you have not had enough time.

I will give you these words of advice. I follow them to this day many years your senior.

Listen more than you speak

Disagree, but do not judge.

Be humble

Be grateful

Don’t speak of yourself. If your story is good enough others will tell it for you.

Be kind

Reserve the right to have no opinion.

Speak only when your words will add not subtract.

I hope this makes sense to you. The last tool for living I will share; strive to comunicate so well, repetition becomes weakness.

Tony