Artist carves live trees!!!!

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Has anyone come in contact with a guy named Clyde from Western PA and Ohio? This guy is a truely gifted artist in tree carving. The problem is he doesn't only carve stumps but LIVE TREES also! See him at www.thegreenman.com Pennsylvania Magazine gave him a detailed story recently where he told the world that this wasn't bad for the tree since it doesn't go completely around the trunk! Look over his pictures then give him a piece of your mind. forward this idea to anyone you know who loves trees.

My blood has been boiling since I read this today but it turned to steam when he replied to my email with brass arrogance and lack of respect for trees.

Please reply here after you email him your comments so I see I'm not alone in my disgust.

Thank You
 

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These two guys must be related:

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=20481&Forum=All_Forums&Words=carving&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=16353&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=1&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post20481

It's terrible when people think that as long as the tree doesn't die then they don't injure the tree. In that case, whack off one of his limbs and see what he thinks...figuratively speaking. Or maybe just cut away some of the skin on his limbs.

How does he justify what he does?

Have you contacted the magazine editor and writer? They need to be educated too.
 
The quality of carving here is better i think (at least from pic); cheaper too.

i think that they should stick to dead/dying trees.
So they will be preserved to rot Naturally in the woods.

Can you imagine at dusk, these faces in the woods staring at you;
like the legends permeating across times
and cultures of the Green Man/ Man of the Woods;
innately ringing in your ears?

Here was a haunting face found in a tree
(the final quote did not come with pic, just fit...)
 

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Not surprised.

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First Message is at the bottom .... work up.







Clyde,

I'm a little confused.....my associate isn't in the industry. He's a client
that thought I might find your skills of interest. If you are getting alot of
concerned feedback from professional arborists then it might be worth at the
very least giving some consideration to their thoughts. My concern is that
members of my industry present themselves (and my trade) in a civil manner, as
I trust I have. I would like to present two perspectives. The first is that
most legitamate arborists can be placed on par with medical proffessionals,
level of schooling, requirement for advancement through CEUs (continuing
education units) on an annual basis, and requirement for adequate mentoring. So
if humans were to scar themselves with art, and yet that art would/could reduce
a humans lifespan, then the medical profession would voice concern as some
arborists may already have. The second perspective is that of a proffesional
who still works at height of up to 120' almost daily. I have had on occasion to
climb trees that were structually unsound due to decay that had entered the
trunk of the tree, as the individual who has to climb trees of comprimised
integrity, I would encourage you to evaluate the injuries that trees have
incured injury in the past so as to help you understand the nature of wood and
decay as it works in trees.
I am not aware of your location but if arrangements could be made I would be
willing to take you out to look at some example cavities in a forest setting,
and then even try some climbing if you wanted to try. I have some spare gear,
and am willing, its up to you though.

Sincerely,

Kevin Mengers
Certified Arborist
Advanced Tree Care
PO Box 252
Queensville, ON L0G 1R0
905.478.2300
kevinmengers@advancedtreecare.ca




Daugherty wrote:

> Yes, I know which associate. He's been trying to harass me with an email
> campaign.
>
> I'm not stopping. Over 700 tree carvings so far and still have a wait list
> of customers.
>
> Why don't you guys go big with this thing. Try to get some national
> publicity showing what a terrible person I am. Last time someone tried that
> I made the front page of all my local papers and my business tripled :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Mengers" <kevinmengers@advancedtreecare.ca>
> To: <treecarver@alltel.net>
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:53 PM
> Subject: Carving
>
> > Clyde,
> >
> > An associate of mine sent me a link to see some of your work. You have a
> > very unique talent that has obviously taken years to develop. I must
> > admire your ability to manipulate wood into art. I am a little concerned
> > with those carvings that were performed on live trees. As an ISA
> > Certified Arborist, a graduate of Humber College Arborist
> > Apprenticeship, Seneca College Parks and Recreation Program, I also now
> > teach portions of the Arborist Apprenticeship at Humber College. I have
> > also competed in the Ontario Tree Climbers Competition for the last five
> > years, an event that brings together some of Ontario's most elite and
> > professional tree care professionals for a day of friendly competition.
> > I am a 12 year veteran in the field of Arboriculture and with that
> > experience I have developed a solid understanding of how trees grow and
> > die, and how they react to injury. I have to say that in the interest of
> > preserving large trees for the next hundred years or so, that you may
> > wish to research a Dr. Alex Shigo and some of his work identifying decay
> > and injury of large woody trees. My interpretation of his work indicates
> > that the type of injury some of your trees have sustained WILL create
> > opportunities for decay to enter the trunk of the trees and thereby
> > begin the decline of structural integrity. If you have ANY questions,
> > concerns or comments PLEASE contact me to discuss these issues farther.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Kevin Mengers
> > Certified Arborist
> > Advanced Tree Care
> > PO Box 252
> > Queensville, ON L0G 1R0
> > 905.478.2300
> > kevinmengers@advancedtreecare.ca
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
 
Kevin,

Great job of writing a very dipolmatic and professional e-mail. I think you handled that well. If we still had the rating system of the old board I'd give you the 5 stars.

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Yes, very well done indeed, though I have every reasonable expectation that he'll be as easy
to convince as that McPeak guy who advocates spiked pruning, and/or topping, because
he don't need no schoolin' and he ain't seen no trees suffer yet from his practices over
a long period of time.

<rant>Who ever decided it would be a good idea to reply above quoted material in
an email or newsgroup post? It sure makes it difficult to follow. Rather like climbing a
third of the staircase, turning around and slowly descending again only to run up
to two-thirds height to turn around and slowly descend before running to the top to turn
around and slowly descend some more. Whew! I get tired just thinking about it!</rant>

When I find myself in such a situation I take the time to arrange it in proper chronology
for presentation.

I guess I'm not as tactful as you :)

Glen
 
Very well done. I hope it will open hes ears a little, 'cuse I sure wouldn't want to climb those trees 20 years from now.
 
Looks like I am done with clyde.....


Thank you for the interest in my tree carvings. Business is booming right
now and I currently have a long waiting list. If you like, I can add you to
my list and contact you once I get to you.

Let me know if you are interested in getting a log, stump or live tree
carved and what part of the country you live in. And remember, I only carve
faces.

...women love me
...trees fear me

Clyde "The GreenMan
 
I wonder what sort of liability insurance the guy has?

I'm no lawyer, but from what I understand in my country if it can be proved that I am willfully ignoring a situation or contributing to a situation which endangers people or property then I am a sitting duck for being found legally negligent.

Now I know you guys over there are regarded as "leading" the world in litigation so I would have thought it could be quite simple to find out who his insurer is if he has one (a legitimate thing to find out as a "prospective" client) and then see if they know that it's on the record that Professional Arborists have a record of communications with him airing grave concerns that he is ignoring.........

Tell me I have a darstardly mind if you like , but I have a very low opinion of people who put money before ethics.
Pete
 
it is hard to read in the last picture but it says at one point, "how to release the wood spirit without killing the tree, the secret is in the finish"

Sad

Here is the author with a website. I wonder if an email campain could be done to the magazine that published the article. Perhaps they would write a small article as a follow up.

Dave
 

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This is an e-mail i sent to the magazine. I'm not real great at putting my thoughts in writing as well as some.



[ QUOTE ]
I would like to take this oportunity to inform your company about the detrimental effects of carving live trees as in a recent article in your magazine. The actual carvings are to be commended as real works of art and done by very talanted individuals. The carvings can and will have long lasting effects on the trees that have this type of work done to them. The cambium layer is the part of the tree that transports vital nutrients,sugars and starches to the tree canopy and roots this type of work cuts into this area cutting off the trees ability to sustain not only the lifeline of nutrition but also leaves the effected area very vulnerable to all sorts of diseases and insects that will effect the trees lifeline leading to an early death. This is also a big safety risk as the structural integeraity has been weakened by this type of work. Trees are a vital part of life and we need to protect these resources for future generations to come. I am a certified arborist with the ISA (International Arborist Association) and have been for about 9 years and have been in the green industry for 18 years. Please take the time to not only think about this e-mail but take a little time and read some publications from Dr. Alex Shigo a top rated professional in the field of arborculture who has devoted his life to the study of trees. He has many books out on the effects of wounds in trees and diseases. Thank you for your time. Should you desire further information please feel free to contact me.

In Trees,
Randy

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