Another darn F8 revolver question

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Back when I was climbing on a taughtline, learning a VT and adding a micropulley bumped up my production dramatically. The discovery of the ring and ring friction saver likewise. In my personal experience, learning to work the tree SRT far exeeded those other revolutionary innovations in its impact on my climbing. Obviously there is still a time and a place for Ddrt, Im not knocking it... it just has its limitations.

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What you described here is the classic development and maturing of a climber. Our profession requires years of experience to gain the physical skills needed in utilising tools and to recognise where and when each will be appropriate.
Like watching a motorcycle road race where one model has more horsepower and easily out strips the field in the straight ways but gets killed in the corners by the better cornering machines. There are distinct advantages in both machines yet it is still a tight race because of skill and track design.
Climbing systems are very similar in that it takes skill and experience to recognise where they shine and where they do not. It is, indeed, rare that somone in the peak of their climbing career will take the time to examine or develop other systems because what they use works so well for them.

Dave
 
yes tom, sometimes I will spiral the rope up from the standard crotch up to the higher SRT crotch to increase friction and increase the back up incase of Tip Failure, which has yet to ever occur. I do not feel like I pushe the limits of the wood at all, In fact I feel like I am reducing the load on the TIP because I am distributing it through multiple points and angles. I often think about the class I took taught by Todd Kramer on "distributing forces in rigging" when I spin my web.
 
just wondering if what your saying Kevin in a competition it is set up more ddbl rope techique or more advantageous.Then how would Beddes been faster using SRT?If that be the case that some trees may be better suited for DDbl rope, correct?.The fact is every tree is different and sometimes because of personal preference or bias we may be choosing the least efficient technique for a particular tree.I agree totally some trees are better suited for working srt but others are not.On another note I dont think there is anywhere on a tree Beddes couldnt get to with ease.
 
Also when you are doing multiple redirects doesnt it take alot of time to pull all that rope thru crotch after crotch?Have you ever ran out of rope and wasnt able to reach the ground?I think SRT is great but I just wish some of the negatives would be mentioned?
 
I have yet to come across a tree where SRT wasnt more adventageous to me. Maybe I'm overly enthusiastic.

A comp is set up in a DDrt world. An SRT world would have a higher TIP and the bells would be further out.

My work times and performance did not improve very much switching from DDRT to SRT. because its in a DDrt world which my SRT can function just fine in but is not challenged.

If the bells were further out and you had to go to another tree for example, SRT would win out.

There are ways to deal with the rope issue, especially with the aid of a good groundman.
 
When I use redis for SRT I always make sure that the rope will touch the ground. there has to be at least 15' on the ground or I'll do something else. At 15' I still have my groundie tie a stopper knot.

Setting redis doesn't take too long. All of the rope doesn't have to be tailed up through the redi either. If it's left looped the redi can be cleared on the way back in or down the tree. More importantly, using redis puts the rope at a more optimal angle for smoother climbs. Eliminating friction from wrapping a doubled rope around a limb or trunk means less effort to pull rope either up or down while climbing.
 
im pretty sure i understand this climbing thing i do every day,,, i under stand spikes pantins boots, leg scabads, bousin seats d rings and saftey laynards art's, sling shots , altrna mats friction savers, ascenders , srt, Ddrt, WHAT THE HECK>>(tom) is a F8 revolver???
 
That quality of SRT is what is sucking me in and causing me to fork over the cash for a uni. I know Kevin, I don't need to spend all that cash but my company is giving me a loan so I can pay by the week. Hey Kev, when you see Lucas Drews tell him Jimmy from SC said to what's up.
 
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I have yet to come across a tree where SRT wasnt more adventageous to me. Maybe I'm overly enthusiastic.

A comp is set up in a DDrt world. An SRT world would have a higher TIP and the bells would be further out...

If the bells were further out and you had to go to another tree for example, SRT would win out...

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So how long did you climb DdRT before going to SRT full time?
There are many benefits to SRT but the ability to reach the limb tips is not one.

Dave
 
Usually all you need to do is leave your tail over the crotch just like you do with a natural crotch redirect in Ddrt. if it looks like the hitch will get stuck all you have to do is take it off the line and there is no chance of the rig getting stuck like in Ddrt.

Jimmy, both Lucas and I will be coming down to Charlotte for the comp. Hope to see you there. I am very supportive of people getting unicenders. I might get one myself if I can get a chance to play with one to evaluate its worth.
 
I have been climbing as a job since 1996 as soon as I graduated high school. (before that I climbed rocks and trees recreationally). I switched to SRT in October of 2008 while doing storm work in Texas. Why do you say SRT doesn't allow you to reach the tips? for me it does.
 
Won't make it to Charlotte. My son's b-day. Good luck to both of you. Won't derail the thread any more. Interested to see where this discussion is going. I agree, I've been able to get way out on some limbs due to the ease of redirect while using SRT. Also, find the ease of traverse from tree to tree pretty sweet. I got a natural redirect stuck today while using Ddrt. Would have never been a problem if I was on a single line.
 
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Why do you say SRT doesn't allow you to reach the tips? for me it does.

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That is what I said, but not what I meant to say.
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I should have said it is not as a system more capable of reaching the tips then a DdRT system.
I have been climbing on DdRT for a few more years than you. I have not had a problem working the outside of the crown with either system.

Dave
 
One thing that I have done when redirecting at the way tippy tips when I cant climb through it and I cant unclip to pass my hitch through.

I leave a little bitty stub at one of my pruning cuts. I flip my line over the stub, weight it and decend, either onto another tree, or onto a limb below. upon arrival to my destination, I flip the rope off the lil stub.

I justify in my head these very rare strategic cuts by calling them pole-saw cuts. I am usually performing some kind of pruning out there anyway. I am talking very small branches.

Not something you could do at a comp, or something that I condone.
 
DSMCc, point taken and I eat my words on a lot of what i have previously written.

For me personally it was an immediate and dramatic difference.
 
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