Another darn F8 revolver question

Funny results to googleing Kong Robot. I found the desending device but the King Kong ape robot appeared first. The Kong has a nice price as does the revovler. I wish I had someone around where I could test drive both. Probably at our comp. in Sept. It sounds like the revolver/F8 combo gives just the right amount of friction. So maybe the right device still needs to be built.
 
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i believe he meant something under 300 bills tom... no offense, if i had the cash i would pick up a uni in a second, but i dont....

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We drop 6 bills for a MS200T. Does a Uniscender do as much work as a 200T? I'd say it's more productive.

I'm still raving about the Uniscender.

I'm bidding jobs with the expectation of a certain time to complete them. But, I'm discovering that I'm finishing ahead of time. And with 1:1 reward for my work, I'm feeling fine after multiple jobs per day.
 
I feel the same way Jamin.
Bought mine over a year ago, it has seen hundreds and hundreds of hours of work. I work way faster than I did with Ddrt and hitches. What I like best apart from the SRT as a whole is frogwalking every tree with no changeover at the top, I just unclip my ascender with footstrap from the top of my uni and I am ready to limbwalk. Easy and minimal gear. My back loves it as I havent footlocked in over a year. I find it has been one of the best purchases I have made, and I got the original $450 one.
 
Cost???

Look down under your fingertips...how much does all of this communication gear cost? How much value does it add to your life? Do I really need a smart phone? How do we measure value?

Dorian and Jamin have just posted two very concise justifications of spending a few more dollars to increase the value to them.
 
I did my first paying job yesterday climbing SRT. All other SRT climbs have been for fun. I am not sure I will be able to go back to DRT. Everything about it was easier. Less dragging my tail around, simple redirects and less fiddling with gear. I think I am going to start pinching the pennies for a uni. Even the footlock ascent seemed quicker but I do see the value in adding a hand ascender into the mix. Another 70 bucks.
 
definitly gets an ascender. You need an foot ascender too and a foot strap. I got the Kong futura hand ascender at Hollys recomendation. and it is sweet cause its so little. I dont even notice it on my harness. My ascent tree is now kickin it in the bag.

I have not flown a uni, but in reality, the real value is going SRT, not really which tool you use to accomplish it.

Without comparison I cant speak too much but I dont see how the Uni would make that much of a difference, the true value is being on a single line. I am with country boy in that I really love hitches and think they are elegant and give a huge range of control that I do not see mechanicals offering.

I would spend 300 on a uni in a heart beat if I knew that it really performed better than a hitch, but innately I doubt it, and so wont spend it until I see how I can swing and descend at the same time with precision. I cant see a mechanical replicating the awesome control of a hitch, we'll see. I'm open to anything.

cost is an issue here because 300 dollars if it doesn't work like a hitch would be a huge disappointment for me. So i would definitely need to play with one for a while.

If the question were $300 to go SRT then hell yeah Id spend it three times. but really at this point all you need to go SRT is $21.
 
Tell me which is better a sax or a trumpet?

This thread needs a reality check. There is a reason that musical instruments are often used to describe the differences in climbing systems. As with climbing, to answer the above question is not possible with out interjecting personal opinion. They are just different.

SRT is way faster than DdRT? Has nobody seen Strasser in a work climb? If you have did he appear slow or hampered by his system? There are many reasons for choosing to use a specific system but speed will not be hampered or increased by the system as much as your personal skills in their use.

For those of you speculating on the Unicender's abilities, if you have not used one, you would be wise to hold your opinion. It is not the same as other mechanicals on the market. There is a blending in its abilities that allows it to do some things much better than any other tool of its type on the market.

Dave
 
I truly believe Beddes would would be an even more versatile climber with SRT. I dont how he could not. As for Hitch SRT vs. Unicender, your right, I cant speak to that.
 
I just believe that you are technically able to access a far broader range of the canopy. My feeling is that changing from Ddrt made me a much more productive climber, I myself did not change but all of a sudden I had an ability to get to places in the tree I couldn't before. My balance didn't improve, my strength didn't, just SRT. I don't see why it would be different for anyone else. obviously I'm biased, and the question is purely hypothetical.
 
you can also use a fixed sideplate pulley and a ring instead of the revolver and figure 8, it works just a little better and it frees up your 8 incase you need to make an emergency repel to the ground on another line. just get a ring that the pulley wont fit thru, send a bite thru the ring, set the bite around the pulley sheave and connect with a biner and sling to your bridge. i think it advances better up the rope than the f8 revolver imo
 
One thing is the ability to set higher TIPs. Also the ability to redirect anywhere and as often as you would like. As x-man calls it "spinning a web". that is not possible with Ddrt. Have you not experimented with it yet Mark?

I love using little tiny redirects that literally float me out over the tips of the branches.
 
why would you be able to se a higher tip? the forces are doubled on your TIP with srt on a ground based anchor
 
Im not sure of the physics maybe Tom can elaborate. But for me I can set higher TIPs because I can back them up. If that higher TIP fails, I set it up so that there are severa other crotches that can catch me. With Ddrt, You have to rely on one single point of attachment.

imagine almost setting your line on the outside of the entire canopy so the forces are distributed by lots of little branches. It can make for a bouncy ride buta higher TIP is always worth it right?
 
Back when I was climbing on a taughtline, learning a VT and adding a micropulley bumped up my production dramatically. The discovery of the ring and ring friction saver likewise. In my personal experience, learning to work the tree SRT far exeeded those other revolutionary innovations in its impact on my climbing. Obviously there is still a time and a place for Ddrt, Im not knocking it... it just has its limitations.

Ill throw this out there.

Competitions are not the place to test SRT vs Ddrt.

This is because the people setting up the trees are normally climbing Ddrt. the comps are set where the advantages of SRT are not tested. The bells need to be placed further out. This would mean that the bell setters would need to climb SRT.
 
To me, the discussion about Unicender- fate system- Rig-/gri gri etc. Is similar to discussing Leather tube- ring to ring- or rope guide.

comes down to preference/ budget, etc.

The SRT vs. Ddrt discussion is a little more extreme.
 
Jack did a nice job of illustrating how friction at the TIP will reduce the load. I've done a demo of this using cord and either a fishing scale or 150# game scale. It is interesting to see the load reduction by spiraling the rope down the tree to the ground anchor.
 

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