AMSTEEL-BLUE

Has anyone used this new rigging line produced by Sampson?
According to what I read this line can take the place of steel cable in certain rigging applications
Frans
 
True Gerry, thankx,

We use Puget Sound Ropes Plasma line for speedlining. (1/2 inch, 31300 average, 36ooo peak strength!!) As this line has 0.5% stretch at up to 30% of tensile, and breaks at 3-5 % stretch, it is not meant to be shock loaded. We dont drop anything onto the speedline, but either ease it on, say as in taking out a bight in the line (pulling with z pulley, capstan winch, etc) Due to the low stretch, and the line being stronger than steel, you could easily overstress all other components of the rigging.

I only use this line as a friend gets it through his connections in the fishing industry. It is prohibitively expensive otherwise. But I just met the wholesaler, and got enough tenex (actually PS Ropes product, much the same) to make 4 eye and eye prussics (for schwabish or distal), a 15 foot balancer, a 3-9 foot whoopie sling, and a 4-20 foot whoopie sling, all for $50!!! less than half of retail. Takes less than an hour to make a whoopie!

I just bought Dan Kraus' Hobbs lowering device, whoopie!!

Love your CD, looking forward to the video!

I'd love to climb some big trees with you sometime!!!

[ March 27, 2002: Message edited by: Roger Barnett ]
 
Roger, It's amazing to hear there's rigging available that is strong as steel and yet handles like rope. Cost phrohibitive today. Affordable tommorrow. Your post in these forums may well opened a new market for the manufacture. Which could eventually bring the cost down. I'm sure others out there will be interested in finding out where to obtain the line. Amsteel, Puget Sound Plasma? One name generic or another?

You from Seattle?

Sunrise to sunset is a day to us. Yet just a heartbeat for a tree.

Love to spend one day in a big tree with you. Klimbinfool (Greg) and I plan a climb in a wonderful Ponderosa this spring/summer. Make some time.
 
Hey, Gerry. No chance of Plasma/Amsteel blue dropping in price. too expensive to produce. The market in our industry will never develop, the use is too limited. Towing lines is the main use, and at 1.520 million lb. tensile at 4 inches, i'd reckon just the cost of one line would be more than tree guys might buy of the 1/2 inch in a couple centuries (or ten)

Somewhat cheaper is the regular Amsteel, and basic Spectra, both still plenty strong. Nice that Ben at Dan Troll will sell his ex fisherman friend ( and now his friend, me), lines at such an amazing discount!!

Oxman got 5 pounds (~2000 feet) of limp ~1/8 in. line, good for leaving in a woods tree for future line sets.

Go to http://www.arboristsite.com and maneuver to "Technical tree removal, let's talk" for our latest escapades!! and ongong story.
 
Been improving and fine tuning my close quarters logging activities, and your book, a copy of which I'd obtained from Scott Baker, sure didn't hurt!!

We recently got 2900 board feet from 6 firs, all in a 25 by 150 foot space, houses, trees, and driveway on each side, pwr lines and trees on one end, nice shed and plants at or near the other. Had my stumper sub grind three, so I could drop the sticks from the biggest, which touched and overhung the house. (Big wind on that one too, right toward the house, groan. Had to keep setting reidrect above my head as far out on a limb as I could reach, to keep em to hang better. Guess we could have speed lined, oh well.)For the back tree,we used our portable to grind a stump in the way, then cut pies out of some wood, set them by the fence,so the 46 foot, 21 inch top diameter last stick would land and be deflected away from the fence. She dropped right onto the concrete patio, saving the customer some labor busting it up, and the tip made it exactly on target, five feet from the house corner. My 3120 is in canada getting massaged to ~12 hp, so my 36 inch bar 066 wouldnt go all the way through, and the too close fence precluded easy hinge setup. If I had cut out too much of the fence side of the hinge, it probably would have moved toward my customer's house, but not hit it. The other way would have demolished the neighbor's. As it was, I held about a inch too much on that side, it could have been bad!! Said a big phew when she eased over!! Linemen were part of the audience, as they had just arrived to rehook the service. On that same tree, the wind had helped me sail a 30 foot top over a big rhodo. Then we pulled a 21 foot stick, from ~65 feet up. I pushed, they pulled, it sailed clear, but I should have had a butt (as well as tip) line and let them pull, while I held the butt to speed up the flip rate. It landed nose down, and JUST tipped over. Back would have probably caught the nice shed. Too close!! Then, we had to fwood the next ~18 feet, as, if i'd moved its drop toward the house and away from the shed, it well could have flipped over and caught the house, about 50 feet away. Very unlikely, but not a chance I was going to take. Not for a domestic knotty log worth 50-75 bucks!!

After the stumps were out, we got my puny Toyota to pull some sticks, then the tree truck got the rest, so the self loader had a reasonable log deck. Furthest we've ever skidded using chains and the self loader is 100 feet. On that one, we had to use a block and back pull it out of a stuck spot with the dubble braid. But that was back when we were getting max 1260 per mbf for fir. now its 630, and the grade given is lousy! Market is so bad, it's better to cut 16-26's as a reasonable good log brings $500 per, with lots more scale.

[ March 29, 2002: Message edited by: Roger Barnett ]
 
Roger, Yeah close quarter logging. It's being done more and more. At the worth of the wood it's a shame to cut sawlogs into chunks. But the room isn't always there to lay log lengths down. Most selfloaders wont take bunk logs less that 16'.

When it comes to work like that the first thing I do is remove the fences and dig up the landscape plants. Small out buildings can even be jacked up and moved far enough to make room. Sceduale with the utilites to be there to drop the services when the work begins. Make all the room you can.

Anymore I wont cramp my style and let a landscape plant or a fence make me squeeze a flying log closer to eve or foundation of a house. Been there and done it. Too much anixety for me and can you imagine how the rododendron feels.

Oxman turned me on to a tip of using a commercial fishing net to catch logs that might roll on a slope. Never tried it, but it's one of those things I got a gut feeling would work great. So long as you can anchor the net well enough.

Here Douglas fir is down to 400.
 
400, groan! 300-500 here depending on sort, for domestic. 500-650 for export, 36 average on all but taiwan sort.

How bout redwood?

Rhody was too big to move, and fence was no problem, 'cept for making it harder to set up the hingewood. "Shed" was 600 sq ft bldg!

Dennis Greffard, in BC (from Arboristsite.com) is finally putting my 3120 on the bench. Gonna be nice to have 3-4 more horseys!! My just Walkerized 335 will chew up and spit out any 020T on the planet!
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A friend uses a section of chain link fence and a few quick posts, to keep chunks in place. Never tried it, it sounds neat. Same with the netting.

Chaining/snubbing the butt is helpful, but may not keep the end from flying downhill.
 
We picked up an old couch from the curb on the way to a backyard rowhome takedown, and pieced the tree right into the couch to protect the slate patio. I wasn't on the job to see it.. the guys said it worked well.
Whatever works,
Daniel
 
KC,

I prefer car tires, easier to handle, smaller holes. I just swing by my local Les Schwab, and grab 15-50 non rebuildable ones, and lash 'em together, much better than a loose pile that need constant rearranging.

I have 7 at home for small, easy jobs.
 
Bales of hay work nicely too. We raise beef cattle and goats, so their easy to come by. they can be messy though. The best part is, you can dispose of the mess W/ your chipps. Most of our chipps go to a couple of local dairies. They use 'em for bedding and we don't have to pay to get rid of'em. NO OLEANDER PLEASE!
 

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