amsteel blue rigging false crotch?

i have my amsteel and fids and samson splicing kit, heck i even have the toss wand and i printed out instuctions, but they may as well be in another language, im an idiot and left my tenex at the shop and have started marking out (and now that ive read a bit, marked out wrong) my amsteel but im starting to think that this may be a bit expensive to start out on (and after further reading, a more daunting task then i had imagined)

is the amsteel a class 2 twelve strand? how about the tenex? im think im going to wait til tomorrow to mess with the tenex, at least its a bit cheaper to ruin, i guess its to the sink to try to wash out the incorrect markings on my amsteel

(for those already blessed with the knowledge of splicing, any hints or pointers you could give a newbie? i know your reading this jamin, let the headaches begin brother)
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Amsteel = class II single braid

tenex = class I

Long, smooth taper is best on dyneema (amsteel is dyneema fibers). Have a razor-knife handy for the cutting of the amsteel. Typical scissors can't do the job.

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thank you nicholas, that will help me a lot, i was following the wrong splicing directions. how about i fly ya out to nj so i can learn first hand.

i knew not going to the splicing symposium would haunt me forever
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Guys, While there is nothing "wrong" with using Amsteel for a sling-it is a ridiculously strong and expensive material....and thus you want to protect it with tubing, use thimbles to minimize self cutting tendencies etc. Frankly, I think that turns the heat sensitve super fiber ropes into losers. Perfect for winch line but annoying for rigging slings. Tenex/Yalex is perfect for this sort of thing as is (IMO) Samson PTS12 Nylon. Use the cheaper materials, don't worry about "saving them" from every little pick or abrasion,loop one eye through the other with impunity and be amazed at how durable they are.
 
Hmm... I do realize that inflation is on everybody's mind, but considering one product which out-performs another ten-fold and costs a price near more that of, say two-fold doesn't seem merritable: I don't underatand your rational (all yee whom refuse change, advancement and the possibility of something better).

When one tree job can pay for a rigging setup strong and durable enough to rope down a small automobile at the diameter of a finger... how can one say that it's not in the budget for a progressive tree company to embrace?

A simple mathmatical evaluation: when one variable is lost from one side of the equation it must be added to the other side. Your sling is now ten times stronger, though less absorbing of energy... move your energy absorption down the line.

Physics is the backbone of our trade, and one who doesn't understand physics as it relates to our work doesn't understand our work.
 
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I don't underatand your rational (all yee whom refuse change, advancement and the possibility of something better)...
A simple mathmatical evaluation: when one variable is lost from one side of the equation it must be added to the other side. Your sling is now ten times stronger, though less absorbing of energy... move your energy absorption down the line.

Physics is the backbone of our trade, and one who doesn't understand physics as it relates to our work doesn't understand our work.

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Oh earthy one, As you yourself have intimated-this is not a zero sum game with straight trade offs. I'm not adamantly opposed to using superbraids for rigging but their great strength and higher initial cost are not their only qualities. As you mentioned-they are poor absorbers/dissipators of shock loads. They melt far more easily than their more traditional synthetic cousins(Hardly an insignificant characteristic considering how many of us have glazed nylon and polyester fibers which have much higher melting points. They shed strength like a mangy dog when knotted or used in tight bend radii. Bigger in not always better. Stronger is not always better either. Money is not the only cost to weigh-all charcteristics and qualities need to be taken into account.
 
stumper that is a very valid point. Nick pointed it out to me the other day that it doesnt make sense to have the line (amsteel) stronger than the rings. (amsteel is rated it 16,000 where the rings are only rated at 5000)

I'm going to make some false crotches out of tenex because of how cheap it is so that my inexperience in splicing isn't ruining good expensive amsteel. I am instead going to make a loopie sling out of my amsteel where the strength is going to be as strong as the block hooked to it

Good stuff stumper. I meant to point this out when nick informed me but forgot all about it
 
I do so agree that it makes no sense to have one portion of your rigging system ultra strong and not another... I refer to all units as equal ratio when possible. An amsteel sling is attached to a heavy steel block, or used with crane lifts and NOT used with tight bends, knots, or when heat/friction comes into play if at all possible (however Technora 'may'). Also, a loose fitting sheath shall cover my 'superbraids' when in use to protect the fibers. I'll use polyester, nylon, and polypropelene when certian durablility etc. issues come into play.
 
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me too my friend, the worse part was it was 30 minutes away for me
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Let's make a deal, If you commit to the next one, I'll pick you up from the airport and take you back.
 
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