personally i took chemistry and it wasn't worth the time and effort i put into it. I took a hand full of things from my class. That might be because it was a weed out class for chem students but it was just way too much. bacis chem would do just find in my eyes unless your preping them to do research work.
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- Thread starter Mangoes
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It bothers me when a guy say he has done this brsiness for 17 years, but he has the total experience of about 17 months!--That concerns me!
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That reminds me of a quote from Bailey in Arborist Equipment by Don Blair. It was something to the effect of Bailey asking a tree guy if his "10 years of experience" was 10 years of your first day doing tree work, or 10 years of real learning.
jp
It bothers me when a guy say he has done this brsiness for 17 years, but he has the total experience of about 17 months!--That concerns me!
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That reminds me of a quote from Bailey in Arborist Equipment by Don Blair. It was something to the effect of Bailey asking a tree guy if his "10 years of experience" was 10 years of your first day doing tree work, or 10 years of real learning.
jp
treehumper
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When I took the course I enjoyed the opportunity to develop skills with new tools and techniques that my employer did not have. The science was extremely valuable but it was lost on some. I don't believe it is best to leave it up to the employer to train climbing. The industry needs to establish a mandatory apprenticeship much like electricians, plumbers, and other skilled trades.
I would include in the course business skills.
I would include in the course business skills.
Mangoes
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TH. Were you taught to understand the various systems? Was there a dogmatic bias towards one technique or principle? Or was choice, based on good knowledge and understanding, promoted? What is the better approach, one system/technique/principle and create technicians programmed only for limited creative thought. Or program technicians for analytic thought and deductive logic based on using/potentially using a number of different systems/techniques/principles? Cander appreciated.
treehumper
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ohhhhhhhhh, now that is a good question Mangoes. HMMMMMMM, I did have some excellent instructors, I believe you may even know them!
The techniques extended from traditional to more advanced though, they were limited by issues that were more political than practical. As far as the approach, I felt it was well done given the limited time and liability concerns that seem to limit what could be done.
Given that the first place someone works in the tree industry is on the ground, it would be good if those fundamentals were taught. Then get into the climbing elements.
The techniques extended from traditional to more advanced though, they were limited by issues that were more political than practical. As far as the approach, I felt it was well done given the limited time and liability concerns that seem to limit what could be done.
Given that the first place someone works in the tree industry is on the ground, it would be good if those fundamentals were taught. Then get into the climbing elements.
Mangoes
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The fact that first suggestions asked for more theory in TREES impresses me still. And I concur, and desire improved knowledge in some of these areas myself.
The hands on practices will become company specific, but the merit of giving a young arborist an understanding of the options, regardless of culture, is paramount to the poliitcs.
No?
PS: Thanks TH, I knew some good instructors as well; I aspired to be as good.
The hands on practices will become company specific, but the merit of giving a young arborist an understanding of the options, regardless of culture, is paramount to the poliitcs.
No?
PS: Thanks TH, I knew some good instructors as well; I aspired to be as good.
treehumper
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This becomes an issue once again for the industry. Will it rise to the occasion or become bogged down into politicking? Defining how someone enters the industry and establishing a mandatory apprenticeship program would go a long way to improving many elements of our vocation.
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Please list your minimum expectations of what a young Arborist should come out of a post secondary Arboriculture Institution. A 2 winter program with in class components and heavily allocated practical (outdoor climbing) components. Also list advanced level techniques that are, in your opinion, too advanced for an introductory program.
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Could you clarify this program? Are you talking about a degree similar to an Associates Degree (AAS), which would be a two year program? Or a bachelor's (BS or BA)?
It seems the undergraduate degree (BS) is less specific to the arboriculture industry but covers a broader level of horticulture and plant science... I'm not sure which one is of more benefit; I suppose it is really up to the individual and their personal goals.
jp
Please list your minimum expectations of what a young Arborist should come out of a post secondary Arboriculture Institution. A 2 winter program with in class components and heavily allocated practical (outdoor climbing) components. Also list advanced level techniques that are, in your opinion, too advanced for an introductory program.
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Could you clarify this program? Are you talking about a degree similar to an Associates Degree (AAS), which would be a two year program? Or a bachelor's (BS or BA)?
It seems the undergraduate degree (BS) is less specific to the arboriculture industry but covers a broader level of horticulture and plant science... I'm not sure which one is of more benefit; I suppose it is really up to the individual and their personal goals.
jp
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what exactly do you want to prepare your graduates for?
are they going to be leaving your program and going directly into employment, or are they taking your course set as an adjunct to another program?
are they going to be leaving your program and going directly into employment, or are they taking your course set as an adjunct to another program?
boreality
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How about some practical business courses? Not marketing and management philosophy, but how the tax system works and how to pay employees. How to start a small company basically.
treehumper
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- Ridgefield, NJ
I wouldn't drop any marketing and fundamental management techniques (as opposed to philosophy). Definitely taxes and employee wages. As well, insurance!
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