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Thinking of having timberland build me a truck and would like to hear some feedback from copma owners as to the reliability of their machines so far. I would rather go with palfinger for service reasons but the price disparity is huge.
I would also like to hear about the ford chassis that are 2016-2017 since the switched to all ford power train. The only reason I am considering this is also for service reasons. I am located 230 miles from any authorized ford heavy duty dealer and 180 miles from any heavy truck dealer that could service any make or model truck. The new Ford chassis will be able to reciever service at any ford dealer which I have three of in the areas we work in.
I'm a little nervous about NOT going with a dt466 or Cummins and Allison.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
My entire fleet is currently ford and am in range of being able to get a Ford fleet number which is also a perk.

This will be our first kboom so help me make it awesome. Thinking 14' box with lid and 70' boom with grapple, bucket and winch. Plumbed for gmt grapple saw for later. I have 20' PJ dump trailer to pull behind it.
Thanks guys.
 
X2 - would love to hear peoples thoughts on timberland trucks and copma booms. Also if anyone has the copma z boom log loader please chime in.
 
Not an outfit that stands behind there word or there work in my oppinion.....then again I only spent 90k with them not the 130 or so your talking about! I had some details in another thread a while back. Just my experience.
 
We have a 2003 Int'l from them with a Copma 80.2. Bought used several years ago.

I'm a little disappointed with some of the build issues on the chip box: They caulked over the tops of the welds on the outside of the box before painting (who does that?!?). Looked great new, now all the caulk is peeling off. Should have angled the mating lips on the removable top inward slightly to help it ease down onto the box. Not the best barn door hinges or latch, especially for something you know is going to get beat with logs. However, all of these are relatively easy for us to fix ourselves with a welder, so whatever.

As for the Copma, had 2 loose hydraulic lines that dripped until tightened. Other than that, no issues what-so-ever. 13 years old and happy to load logs every time we ask. And we're more of a Run it Until it Breaks company than a Let's Maintain it Like New company.

I would definitely consider buying another Timberland, either new or used. Some issues, but show me a truck without any.
 
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IMG_2898.webp IMG_2862.webp IMG_2832.webp I just bought a 2008 Ford F650 Allison auto Cummins engine air brakes it was a California truck prior. Jack is a little hard to deal with on the phone. Myself and every one who's bought from him that I've spoken to like the truck but he's always late on delivery so order ahead of time. I picked up my truck from him two weeks ago and so far the truck surpassed my expectations on build. Truck was as new inside and out and built good.I am not a fan of tail gate design but it works. I drove it 500+ miles without any issues besides no heat and an air leak in brake system. Jack said he'll fix them and I'll let everyone know if he honors his word. I bought the copma 44z loader I didn't want multiple levers it's has two joysticks. I shortend the body to 12' to keep it from being overloaded and for a better maneuverability. I would definitely recommend them and would buy again from him as long as he fixes my two minor issues.
 
Levi.CO said:
I don't understand the appeal of these combo trucks. Is it a chip truck or log truck?
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I'm not saying they are the best for everyone but work for my business. I run a 3 man crew and don't need or want a full size log truck I've got friends with large log trucks who pick up wood from land Clearing and lg jobs I pay between $250-$300 for a tri axle truck load picked up. You can use it for a chip truck or small log truck and it's easy on yards.
 
Levi.CO said:
I don't understand the appeal of these combo trucks. Is it a chip truck or log truck?
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As with any combo tool, a "Jack of all trades" is always a "Master of none." If you're moving large amounts of either logs or chips, you'd want a dedicated single purpose truck. But for our (usually 4 or 5 man) mostly removal company, it works great! Most days it's topless log truck, usually loaded by our compact wheel loader. Or if we know there is only going to be a couple of logs total, we can leave the loader and trailer at the yard and just pick them up with the knuckle. But when we've got a huge chipping job or a long haul to dump, we put the top on it and have a second 20+ yard chip truck. And of course, there are always those jobs that you absolutely couldn't do without a knuckle or crane. We've done 3 in the last 6 weeks that we wouldn't have even bid on if we didn't have the knuckle. We weren't completely sold on the idea before we bought it, but have become big fans since we got it.

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Jasonk said:
Not an outfit that stands behind there word or there work in my oppinion.....then again I only spent 90k with them not the 130 or so your talking about! I had some details in another thread a while back. Just my experience.
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I wish it was only 130k. More like 170k.
Off topic. Are you a "hide" moderator?
 
Jeff said:
As with any combo tool, a "Jack of all trades" is always a "Master of none." If you're moving large amounts of either logs or chips, you'd want a dedicated single purpose truck. But for our (usually 4 or 5 man) mostly removal company, it works great! Most days it's topless log truck, usually loaded by our compact wheel loader. Or if we know there is only going to be a couple of logs total, we can leave the loader and trailer at the yard and just pick them up with the knuckle. But when we've got a huge chipping job or a long haul to dump, we put the top on it and have a second 20+ yard chip truck. And of course, there are always those jobs that you absolutely couldn't do without a knuckle or crane. We've done 3 in the last 6 weeks that we wouldn't have even bid on if we didn't have the knuckle. We weren't completely sold on the idea before we bought it, but have become big fans since we got it.

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What model is that copma? Looking at the 170.5 for my outfit. 50' side reach
 
Lumberjack said:
I would get the Palfinger, no question.
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Could you elaborate on a few things Carl:
- Why Palfinger over Copma, or any other brand?
- Why would you chose a Z style loader over a kboom? Speed, I'm guessing, is the biggest difference, anything else?
- In your opinion, at what reach is it worth going more towards the kboom over the Z?

Thanks!
 
matdand said:
Could you elaborate on a few things Carl:
- Why Palfinger over Copma, or any other brand?
- Why would you chose a Z style loader over a kboom? Speed, I'm guessing, is the biggest difference, anything else?
- In your opinion, at what reach is it worth going more towards the kboom over the Z?

Thanks!
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I was meaning between the two options the OP offered, I would go with Palfinger... I think the OP is thinking K boom either way.


My standing theory is if your loading a truck, a loader beats a K boom hands down in terms of speed and robustness. I think the crossover point would be where you need more reach than a loader can provide (~36', practically), but then you're getting into using a crane to load the truck, moreso than the truck being a grapple truck. Both can have their applications, especially with grapple saws.
 
I've heard the pto noise on the 2017 ford chassis is loud.

Having my first experience with ford warranty right now. 2015 750 bucket. Clutch/Tranny Probs. Only 10k miles. Depending on how that turns out may determine what chassis I buy.
 
Jeff said:
We have a 2003 Int'l from them with a Copma 80.2. Bought used several years ago.

I'm a little disappointed with some of the build issues on the chip box: They caulked over the tops of the welds on the outside of the box before painting (who does that?!?). Looked great new, now all the caulk is peeling off. Should have angled the mating lips on the removable top inward slightly to help it ease down onto the box. Not the best barn door hinges or latch, especially for something you know is going to get beat with logs. However, all of these are relatively easy for us to fix ourselves with a welder, so whatever.

As for the Copma, had 2 loose hydraulic lines that dripped until tightened. Other than that, no issues what-so-ever. 13 years old and happy to load logs every time we ask. And we're more of a Run it Until it Breaks company than a Let's Maintain it Like New company.

I would definitely consider buying another Timberland, either new or used. Some issues, but show me a truck without any.
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I have the caulking issue with mine as well. The paint is all bubbled and blistered around it. I think the reasoning behind it was so they didn't have to weld the vertical support tubes solid. The barn doors and hinges are kinda mickey mouse on mine too but they work fine. One thing good thing about it is we can load that box right to the nuts with logs and we can always get the top on. The sides don't move. Over all I love the truck. Cant be without it now.
 
Oak Savanna said:
I think the reasoning behind it was so they didn't have to weld the vertical support tubes solid. The barn doors and hinges are kinda mickey mouse on mine too but they work fine. One thing good thing about it is we can load that box right to the nuts with logs and we can always get the top on. The sides don't move.
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Is that it? Skip welds with caulk in between? Hmm, hadn't thought of that. And yes, the sides are impressively solid.
 
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