“Rope Only” Canopy Anchor??

[Muggs]

Daisy Chain cinches down tight, this is much easier to pull down using the tail.

 

[oceans]

Same here with the y finish. That and the voice in the back of my head always associate it with a slippery. For base ties I’ll use a pair of half hitches tied to the eye of the bowline.
The very rare time I’ll do a canopy tie (90+% conifer work in fairly heavily wooded areas) I’ll snap a carabiner in the spiced eye and snap it to the working leg below the bowline.
This is with the hope that if I ever need it someone could at least identify the setup.

I’ve also done the 2x half hitches down the eye of the bowline. It’s a clean finish that still maintains the look of a bowline. Very little room for confusion IMO.

 

[Z'sTrees]

Anyone ever work with a water bowline?
Not sure that it solve all the issues of one "shaking" loose but i believe that may be the intent.

For a remotely set canopy anchor I'll stick to the butterfly, with or without hardware. If I'm tying it up in the tree then its usually just a running bowline, sometimes with a long tail (especially to pull it down working a spar, etc) or a yosemite.

Not sure you'll find a rope -only, retrievable/remote-settable (is that a word?) knot that doesn't need a piece of hardware or passing the tail thru to be secure. I hope you do though!

 

[southsoundtree]

I used a rope-only canopy anchor yesterday.

Bowline on a bight with tie-off.


I had a cluster of branches... wasn't sure how a biner or quickie would rest once the rope was choked up from the ground.

 

[oceans]

Bowline on a bite is a knot of its own. Bowline WITH a bite is simply a Bowline tied with a bite and is the canopy anchor that I use most often. I find a butterfly very impractical.

I often tie a Bowline WITH a bight when base anchoring somewhere mid-line. When my rope is too long for the tree height at that moment amd I choose to tune how much rope I have on the climbing side, I go with the BWB.

I capture all legs, so the first twist rolled into the line is made of 2 legs and the bight is followed through that. It makes what looks like a large bowline and to me it looks cleaner than running the bight through a single eye.

The Bowline ON a bight is probably less seldom used for me.

 

[Matias]

I used a rope-only canopy anchor yesterday.

Bowline on a bight with tie-off.


I had a cluster of branches... wasn't sure how a biner or quickie would rest once the rope was choked up from the ground.

That's an angle worth considering

I often tie a Bowline WITH a bight when base anchoring somewhere mid-line. When my rope is too long for the tree height at that moment amd I choose to tune how much rope I have on the climbing side, I go with the BWB.

I capture all legs, so the first twist rolled into the line is made of 2 legs and the bight is followed through that. It makes what looks like a large bowline and to me it looks cleaner than running the bight through a single eye.

The Bowline ON a bight is probably less seldom used for me.

Yea, that's what I rock 99% of the time. I love that giant fuckin knot

 

[Webfoot]

Has the "Maverick Hitch" been discussed yet? It is not showing up in my search attempts.

 

[moss]

Has the "Maverick Hitch" been discussed yet? It is not showing up in my search attempts.

Many "remote release anchor" approaches have been discussed in great detail on the Buzz over the years.

It would be worth searching the Buzz on that term.
-AJ

 

[Webfoot]

Many "remote release anchor" approaches have been discussed in great detail on the Buzz over the years.

It would be worth searching the Buzz on that term.
-AJ

Only one post found by search that contains that exact phrase so I may need a bit more help to find the detailed discussions.

As you have innovated in this area, and since apparently the "Maverick" was not part of this discussion unless it already existed by another name, what is your evaluation of it?

 

[moss]

Only one post found by search that contains that exact phrase so I may need a bit more help to find the detailed discussions.

As you have innovated in this area, and since apparently the "Maverick" was not part of this discussion unless it already existed by another name, what is your evaluation of it?

I’ll look more closely at it, thx

 

[moss]

Only one post found by search that contains that exact phrase so I may need a bit more help to find the detailed discussions.

As you have innovated in this area, and since apparently the "Maverick" was not part of this discussion unless it already existed by another name, what is your evaluation of it?

A couple things going on there as I understand it, an “exploding knot” and cinching running knot that can be pulled down remotely. For an “all rope” canopy or basal anchor a backed Running Bowline covers the remotely removable anchor.

For the exploding knot feature the question would be “why?”. I use them rarely, mainly when I’m rec climbing solo and I access the tree with a “rope only” releasable base anchor so I can advance further up a tall tree using my access line as my advancing system. If that makes sense.

I won’t “rate” the Maverick Hitch, I note its features and decide if it’s something I’d want use. The answer is no, I already have methods I like that cover the MH features.

One of the challenges of innovation is “I love it but does anyone else want to use it?”
-AJ

 

[Webfoot]

@moss the two features that caught my eye are

1. It can be tied mid-line without access to either end of the rope
2. The exploding release

I don't know how to do the first with a bowline if that is possible. A bowline-on-a-bight requires passing the bight back over the entire knot so I think it is not possible to trap the other side of the rope in the two-strand loop that is formed.

The second I thought would interest you. It appears to use less rope than yours from 2015 as only one strand passes around the stem or limb. For me it is a curiosity that I don't yet know if or where I would use.

 

[Matias]

@moss the two features that caught my eye are

1. It can be tied mid-line without access to either end of the rope
2. The exploding release

I don't know how to do the first with a bowline if that is possible. A bowline-on-a-bight requires passing the bight back over the entire knot so I think it is not possible to trap the other side of the rope in the two-strand loop that is formed.

The second I thought would interest you. It appears to use less rope than yours from 2015 as only one strand passes around the stem or limb. For me it is a curiosity that I don't yet know if or where I would use.

as has been previously mentioned, I think several folks are talking about making a bowline with a bight, which after backing it up is a huge fucking knot. Even when working, you end up having to pull your tail all the way up and over fairly regularly, so feeding it into a butterfly or bowline-on-bight shouldn't demotivate you to use the tried and true. Use as short a rooe as you can get away with, and bag your tail and keep it with you when possible to make many maneuvers easier

 

[moss]

@moss the two features that caught my eye are

1. It can be tied mid-line without access to either end of the rope
2. The exploding release

I don't know how to do the first with a bowline if that is possible. A bowline-on-a-bight requires passing the bight back over the entire knot so I think it is not possible to trap the other side of the rope in the two-strand loop that is formed.

The second I thought would interest you. It appears to use less rope than yours from 2015 as only one strand passes around the stem or limb. For me it is a curiosity that I don't yet know if or where I would use.

Most tree climbers stay as far away from using "exploding knots" as possible. A bunch of reasons. I became interested in them following a discussion with a very experienced climber who had used a "Fifi Hook" as a remotely releasable basal anchor once while climbing coast redwoods solo. It worked and he didn't die. Without going into detail it is enough to say that climbing on a "non-locked" anchor like that the climber cannot ever slack the rope during the climb. Except when they want to release the anchor. I felt challenged to figure out a better way and eventually came up with a secure rope only method to solve it for my own climbing. I don't have the need or time to explore it further. In "Canyoning" climbers are much more interested in exploding knot remote releases, if you poke around in that community online you'll see some interesting approaches.

Midline feature is cool, again, I have strategies I like better for midline anchors, all rope, or more likely midline Alpine Butterfly with a Singing Tree (now branded by Notch) Quickie slic pin shackle.
-AJ

 

[Webfoot]

In "Canyoning" climbers are much more interested in exploding knot remote releases, if you poke around in that community online you'll see some interesting approaches.

Yes, I am familiar with some of these: FiddleStick, Escaper, SandTrap.

 

[Muggs]

Bowline with a bight, with a tail tuck

 

[Matias]

Bowline with a bight, with a tail tuck

you got a video of how you tie that one? That's quite different from what I call tying a bowline with a bight.

 

[Muggs]

 

[Matias]

Thanks bud. I guess it was an optical illusion. Definitely the same knot