“Rope Only” Canopy Anchor??

Experience has shown me that loading only one loop of either variation of the bowline on/ with the bight tends to distort the knot and make it harder to untie. (I am am talking rigging/ pulling trucks loads, not bodyweight)

I would use a circuis bowline aka blackwater knot if I needed a single loop midline for some reason.

mostly I use the bowline in the bight as it is easier to tie…

For clarity I had the anchor point I shoed above load tested on an actual computerized, proper machine. The break was always above MBS of the lime used. 4 to 6 tests total if I remember. I have no concerns with it being strong enough for a life support anchor. Can be hard to retieve with more than 3 redirects of the climbing leg, hard to inspect from the ground, the carabiner orientation doens not really matter ( tested) but Use a trap to keep it main axis oriented.

Tony
 
The loaded axis of the Bowline is best end2eye,
and for Butterfly as similar utility but end2end.
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Many times have used throwline>>pull line into place
>>Running Bowline eye on control side, with loaded side, Standing Part 'reeved' thru eye.
On far side of eye can tie throwline already in hand,
>>for when need to pull eye open/removal.
>>if harder pull anticipated, can as like put larger diameter 'tag line' all the way up to full size , probably lower grade/down graded/older rig line, even if in a couple of sections(as downgraded rope) to reach.
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As like can have a heavier duty round sling and similarly choke around target support and install the removal leg to the same point. Is good to have some stiffness, so 'eye' geometry lent doesn't close too tight before or at removal.
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Similarily can float pulley with rig or life line reeved thru eye of Bowline or thicker round sling, and have removal leg for pulling open 'eye' part of utility as finale. This also gives more controlled lowering of pulley and other hardware in this finale.
 
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Had an interesting talk with an rescue woman, rock and mountaineering etc. She told me in that community backup half hitches and Yosemite have fallen out of favor because they are not easily inspected and the backups can be confusing, especially the Yosemite. Now the protocol is simply leaving a long tail. It makes sense to me. Especially the Yosemite can be done in such a way wrong it unties the knot. A half hitch makes it look awkward.
 
treebing said:
Had an interesting talk with an rescue woman, rock and mountaineering etc. She told me in that community backup half hitches and Yosemite have fallen out of favor because they are not easily inspected and the backups can be confusing, especially the Yosemite. Now the protocol is simply leaving a long tail. It makes sense to me. Especially the Yosemite can be done in such a way wrong it unties the knot. A half hitch makes it look awkward.
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I always just throw an 8 in the tail. I do that because honestly, I cant remember how to do the Y-finish. Mental block-source unknown.
 
Steve Connally said:
I always just throw an 8 in the tail. I do that because honestly, I cant remember how to do the Y-finish. Mental block-source unknown.
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We've always just used an 8 in the rope tail too - tree/ ice/ alpine (three feet from the end so you can get up it with foot ascender if you have to). I did get some comment a while back on Buzz though, that figure 8's had fallen out of favour and that more modern practice is to use a double OH stopper knot. I still do feel comfy with either really. Never had an 8 come undone, esp. with a tail hangin' below it. Just my two cents tho. Cheers.
 
Tony said:
Experience has shown me that loading only one loop of either variation of the bowline on/ with the bight tends to distort the knot and make it harder to untie. (I am am talking rigging/ pulling trucks loads, not bodyweight)

I would use a circuis bowline aka blackwater knot if I needed a single loop midline for some reason.

mostly I use the bowline in the bight as it is easier to tie…

For clarity I had the anchor point I shoed above load tested on an actual computerized, proper machine. The break was always above MBS of the lime used. 4 to 6 tests total if I remember. I have no concerns with it being strong enough for a life support anchor. Can be hard to retieve with more than 3 redirects of the climbing leg, hard to inspect from the ground, the carabiner orientation doens not really matter ( tested) but Use a trap to keep it main axis oriented.

Tony
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When loading heavy always use a half hitch, or the stick trick (if it’s not a super critical load like yarding logs).
 
Steve Connally said:
I always just throw an 8 in the tail. I do that because honestly, I cant remember how to do the Y-finish. Mental block-source unknown.
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Same here with the y finish. That and the voice in the back of my head always associate it with a slippery. For base ties I’ll use a pair of half hitches tied to the eye of the bowline.
The very rare time I’ll do a canopy tie (90+% conifer work in fairly heavily wooded areas) I’ll snap a carabiner in the spiced eye and snap it to the working leg below the bowline.
This is with the hope that if I ever need it someone could at least identify the setup.
 
i like DBY for the cleaner eye more open to hit like large spliced eye, and am used to looking at it as inspection. Stiffer rope, remote repeated use may even get extra paranoia of overhand then around Standing Part fini.
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i prefer to make by inversion, with the 2 colors showing on end as long enough tail, and check against creep in later use, even remotely.
Not all ropes lend to this, must listen to the rope(s) dancing in your fingers like this younger guy.
 
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treebing said:
Had an interesting talk with an rescue woman, rock and mountaineering etc. She told me in that community backup half hitches and Yosemite have fallen out of favor because they are not easily inspected and the backups can be confusing, especially the Yosemite. Now the protocol is simply leaving a long tail. It makes sense to me. Especially the Yosemite can be done in such a way wrong it unties the knot. A half hitch makes it look awkward.
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I have never been comfortable with the Yosemite on the bowline. I make a long tail and either used a splice or tied a biner on to clip around a basal anchor for my backup to the bowline.
 
I have been using a bowline with a Yosemite finish on a base tied SRS for years without any issues or anxiety. However, all my climbing lines have excellent knot holding qualities. I love a rope that is capable of holding whatever knot I tie.
 
i love the bowline finishes developed for life safety in the mountaineering/rock climbing communities. scott's locked bowline and end bound single bowline. scott's locked is the easiest and ugliest, EBSB is pretty
 
I used one, yesterday, midline.

After climbing and topping one doug-fir, then transferring into another fir with a swing, I climbed until I was past 45⁰ with my TIP. I pulled up slack and, with a bight, tied a running bowline with overhand tie-off to the trunk of the second fir.

Climbing higher on my new, moving TIP, I limbed, topped, and chunked this second tree down until I was below 45⁰ to my first TIP. Untying my second TIP and chunking down a bit with my top-handle until it was time to pull up my MS261 that was tied to my tail, off to the side, out of my dropzone (working solo, employee couldn't make it to work, yesterday).

I tried taking a picture and video, but left the lens cap on.
Well, not quite, but no images.
 
This has now become my go-to srt tie-in for removals. I have long tied in high but left a tail (10-15ft) so I don't have to climb all the way back up to it at the end, to rig or send the top. This hardware-free version is perfect for it. I've just been tucking that tail into the loop as a backup. Faster than using a delta link or quickie.
 

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Muggs said:
This has now become my go-to srt tie-in for removals. I have long tied in high but left a tail (10-15ft) so I don't have to climb all the way back up to it at the end, to rig or send the top. This hardware-free version is perfect for it. I've just been tucking that tail into the loop as a backup. Faster than using a delta link or quickie.
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Cool! Hey what benefits do you see over the daisy chain hitch with this? Only real one I see is that it because it's a bowline it might be more accepted within the industry.
 
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