That goofy dork looking guy Nick from Tree Stuff can shove it.

Don't you remember why they sent manufacturing overseas? It wasn't because companies wanted things made better than we were making them here, it was to have them made cheaper. As far as I can tell, that math hasn't changed and US labor is still expensive. Building out new infrastructure to be able to start manufacturing here again will add to that high labor cost, and still result in US products costing more than imported in a majority of cases. I am a big supporter of quality manufacturers, and almost nothing on my entire property was made in China, or any country using slave labor. I wish I gould say that I don't ever support slave labor usage, but sometimes I still buy things of which I can't yet afford to buy the best version.
 
Bart_ said:
I lost track of metal prices but got a sense of "that seems steep" on an aluminum tubing quote yesterday. Practically, discouragingly high - didn't buy it. I know retail suppliers play get the highest sale $ games but this seemed beyond that as these guys were normally reasonable.
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Its been steep for a while. Energy has cost so much under the former administration that it has trickled down into everything.
 
Rope_goat said:
This kind of sucks I agree. But there is a chance that products here in the US will not only be competitive maybe even better than Europe. Hopefully in the next couple years stuff will get better. Arbsession seems to have reasonable prices
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Yeah it is going to be very choppy for a little while and then things will level out. Hopefully people will eventually realize how much this will help the us and their children in the years to come.
 
And even if you are buying finished goods from a tariffed country, the 50% increase on the wholesale price doesn't require a 50% increase on the retail price. The wholesaler could just add the extra dollar amount that they pay to the wholesale price, and then the retailer could rause it by the same dollar amount, rather than both increasing based on traditional percentage based markups, thereby passing the actual cost of the tariff to the end user, without adding to their profit margin. The issue here is really that each player in the chain wants to make extra profit, and that brings the whole system closer to collapse.
 
DSMc said:
I like Nick Bonner, consider him a friend. He is a hard worker who does an excellent job for his company and the tree industry in general.
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Every time I have spoken to Nick/ emailed him he made it right and was a gentleman. I think, regardless of whatever hiccups we have with the company or the venture capitalists, etc. he's a credit to the industry. Everyone has to cope with their own "system" in business which can at times be a head shaker. Just my two cents though.
It's going to be a bumpy ride the next few years for everyone - stocks are down some 5 or 6 Trillion (with a "T") as of Friday and more carnage to come no doubt next week/ month. The world is no longer the same as it was the beginning of last week. Be Kind and what was the quote from the Clint Eastwood movie on the Eiger - "We shall not make the summit, but we shall continue on with the best of styles". Cheers all.
 
RyanCafferky said:
Which manufacturers in the US make good chainsaw protection worth wearing? Good helmets worth wearing? Harnesses? Pretty much all the best stuff in a lot of areas in our industry is coming from overseas. It is completely ignorant to think that US manufacturing can magically pop up factories and make stuff to compete with what has been imported for years as our economy has gone up and up and up.

The causes of the struggles of the working class in this country is more from being stuck in a polarized two party system that continually bends to the will of the corporate puppeteers and military industrial complex, the decline of unions, and the inability for the populace to understand what is going on and inability to join together to do anything about it. Polarizing politics and keeping everyone arguing about abortion and trans rights and other nonsense issues keeps everyone from actually talking about the stuff that really matters like the economy, healthcare, and perhaps even clean air and water if we can agree that those things matter.

Impose term limits on the Supreme Court and Congress and eliminate the ability for people in Congress to become lobbyists for set amounts of time and also make it so they and their family members can’t invest in the stock market and you’d likely see a shift towards sanity in this country.
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Yup I was reading someone argue that all Stihl pro saws are made in the USA, so shut up was the tone.
Sure they might be assembled, but I recall a spark plug shortage when Russia invaded Ukraine. Shit is unfortunately going to get really bad.
Us manufacturing is crap.. a hefty % is done by a prisoner workforce too
 
Al_trees said:
That is not the full point of the tarriffs, sure bringing manufacturing back is a major part of it but also trying to create fair and equal trade. Prices on products we buy are not going to increase to the point of what the media will have you believe.
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Do you believe that? Prices will go up across the board domestic or not. Remember the $100 sheet of plywood during the pandemic? The prices did come back down.. but not pre pandemic levels
 
Al_trees said:
Its been steep for a while. Energy has cost so much under the former administration that it has trickled down into everything.
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Energy production in this country is at an all time high. We are a net exporter of energy overall. The former administration has little to do with it. The cost has risen due to the demand for energy from the growing economy.

Can someone post a copy of the email?

Tariffs create an opportunity for domestic producers to raise their own prices. If the seller of a foreign product sells something for $100 but now has to charge $130, the domestic producers of the same product can now charge $130. Costs go up for everyone.
 
Al_trees said:
Yeah it is going to be very choppy for a little while and then things will level out. Hopefully people will eventually realize how much this will help the us and their children in the years to come.
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Are the manufacturing plants opening up in the old mill towns? My dad was in manufacturing. It all caved in 2009. No one even knows what the first step is at this point in getting manufacturing going again. I love the idea of investing in startups that focus on manufacturing here, we absolutely need that. This anti-free market top down overreaching tarriff bs just fucks us all up with no plan.
 
It sounds like they’re just trying to be transparent to their customers about the realities of these tariffs. The original email:

Tariff Impact on Arborist Supplies Pricing

Hey [name], it's Nick.

I'm sure you've seen the news, and I wanted to send a quick note about the impact of the new tariff measures on the price of arborist gear.

Tariffs on aluminum, steel, and goods from Europe and Asia are expected to hit arborist supplies particularly hard. As our suppliers face price increases on raw materials and imported finished goods, those costs will be passed along to us and, ultimately, to the consumer.

At this point, the price hikes are still avoidable, as we're holding pricing at last month's levels for the time being. However, my recommendation is that if you know you'll need something in the next 12 months, it’s a good idea to order it now. Retail prices are projected to rise by 30-50% across a wide variety of products, and I anticipate a rush to purchase that will inevitably lead to stock shortages.

Sorry to bring you this news, but I’m hopeful we can help you lock in some savings now. Wishing you all the best this year.

Nick Bonner
General Manager
Treestuff.com
 
Where do we get our stuff from?

China? 30% tariff
Canada? 25% tariff
Saddles, carabiners, ropes, gear from Europe? 20% tariff
Silky saws from Japan? 24% tariff

Proposed tariff rates by country. 10% if not otherwise listed:

Algeria 30%
Angola 32%
Bangladesh 37%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 35%
Botswana 37%
Brunei 24%
Cambodia 49%
Cameroon 11%
Chad 13%
China 34%
Côte d`Ivoire 21%
Democratic Republic of the Congo 11%
Equatorial Guinea 13%
European Union 20%
Falkland Islands 41%
Fiji 32%
Guyana 38%
India 26%
Indonesia 32%
Iraq 39%
Israel 17%
Japan 24%
Jordan 20%
Kazakhstan 27%
Laos 48%
Lesotho 50%
Libya 31%
Liechtenstein 37%
Madagascar 47%
Malawi 17%
Malaysia 24%
Mauritius 40%
Moldova 31%
Mozambique 16%
Myanmar (Burma) 44%
Namibia 21%
Nauru 30%
Nicaragua 18%
Nigeria 14%
North Macedonia 33%
Norway 15%
Pakistan 29%
Philippines 17%
Serbia 37%
South Africa 30%
South Korea 25%
Sri Lanka 44%
Switzerland 31%
Syria 41%
Taiwan 32%
Thailand 36%
Tunisia 28%
Vanuatu 22%
Venezuela 15%
Vietnam 46%
Zambia 17%
Zimbabwe 18%

So after complaining about inflation, we taxed ourselves and then made our currency worth less. So the tariffs will be more than what is listed, in reality.
 
Remember, it’s not about how much the retailer paid it’s about how much it’ll cost them to replace that item.

So you buy a doohickey for 5 dollars and sell it to the customer for 10 dollars, good business you’d think.
But if you go to your supplier and order more doohickeys to sell and the price has gone up to 12 dollars the 10 dollars you got for the first one won’t buy a replacement so you’ve not made 5 bucks you’ve lost 2 bucks.
 
Speaking of history, here is 7 short minutes that discuss tariffs and the how and why they do what they do, not what they might do.


 
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sadly the reality is that while tariffs can protect industry, they cant create industry out of thin air. a country requires industrial policy first, of which the united states has none. enacting tariffs without simultaneous subsidization of domestic industry simply means the cost of private investment inflates significantly as tariffs impact the ability to create tooling, obtain quality materials, etc. putting up tariffs without government investment in industry is closing the barn door after the horse has fled

hanson mentions canada has a 250% tariff rate on some american products, that is true. those tariffs are on dairy products, which protects the canadian dairy industry. dairy production in canada operates under a supply management scheme that minimizes overproduction and keeps prices artificially high compared to an unrestrained free market, but also stable. that ensures the industry retains its 220000+ canadian jobs and makes up a major agricultural commodity in many provinces.

of course the massive canadian dairy tariffs are affected by one other reality of international trade: the united states/mexico/canada agreement of 2018 negotiated by the trump administration which replaced nafta. under it the united states imports $750 million USD worth of dairy products to canada completely duty-free, no tariffs at all.
 
theres a cap on duty-free dairy imports but its never been hit because of various other provisions of the agreement negotiated between the united states and canada that make it a difficult target. but the reality is not a single pound of american cheese, yogurt, or butter has ever actually been subject to the 250% tariff. its never been charged to an importer
 
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