LA Fires

So, uh, what happened to the Jewish space lasers? I thought they started all these massive fires this last decade? Burning a community with lots of Jews makes it seem weird to point at the Jews, eh? So if this one was due to mismanagement of resources, why not the same logic for the other fires? Is it really that hard to understand how 100+ years of putting out every natural fire and not doing the thing that the fire would have naturally done would lead to unnaturally enourmous and destructive fires?
 
No rain, Santa Ana winds, stuff burns in the hills of So Cal. It was very predictable. Clearly there is huge pressure to keep everything as normal as possible, keep the power going, etc etc no matter what. If public officials overcompensate and nothing happens the public freaks out at the disruption in normal day-to-day activities and commerce, "government overreach!"

Places hit again and again by wildfires are not safe for humans to inhabit. It's pretty simple. And tragic when people die and many many thousands lose everything.

We have messed things up badly.
-AJ
 
moss said:
No rain, Santa Ana winds, stuff burns in the hills of So Cal. It was very predictable. Clearly there is huge pressure to keep everything as normal as possible, keep the power going, etc etc no matter what. If public officials overcompensate and nothing happens the public freaks out at the disruption in normal day-to-day activities and commerce, "government overreach!"

Places hit again and again by wildfires are not safe for humans to inhabit. It's pretty simple. And tragic when people die and many many thousands lose everything.

We have messed things up badly.
-AJ
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And when is the breaking point? As this is the new normal.
 
evo said:
And when is the breaking point? As this is the new normal.
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Its a broad gradient. For some, the breaking point was years ago, and for some this will be it. More still won't budge, and I believe many people won't ever change or move, but rather will wait til "the end of the world" so to speak.
 
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Some sobering internet glancing. Sure it’s just Wikipedia, and no I didn’t read up on each individual fires.
A skim though shows since 2020 the only other series of events that have caused more cities to burn was world war 2. Cause aside the word wildfire was most prevalent in the years post 2020..

List of town and city fires - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
Anyone know where there is data comparing number of buildings/towns/houses lost due to wildfires?
 
Daniel said:
They're out of their minds... it was the younger dryas impacts at the end if the last ice age that wiped out 3/4 of the mega fauna in north America
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That is still being argued, several competing theories for the “Younger Dryas” cooling event.

Main takeaway from the article is that humans have been creating fire impacts on the land worldwide since they first figured out fire. Loss of megafauna foragers increased fire fuel. Spread of non-native plants by humans increased fire fuel. Multifactorial as they say.
-AJ
 
moss said:
Main takeaway from the article is that humans have been creating fire impacts on the land worldwide since they first figured out fire. Loss of megafauna foragers increased fire fuel. Spread of non-native plants by humans increased fire fuel. Multifactorial as they say.
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Condolences to all who lost lives, family and shelter from these fires. So much loss, so many amazing cultural sites gone for good.

L.A. history is fascinating to me, from saber tooth cats to Chinatown, a hotly contested piece of ground. And incredibly beautiful area, I just drove most of the PCH a month or so ago, sad to see the loss.

But we know, we are asking for trouble with the way we live. Maybe not individually, but collectively, we are way off track and more vulnerable than ever. We used the land wrong and if we don't get back on the right path the purification (as Hopi say) will continue sans mercy.
 
I dont live in USA
But as Matias says what through the years nothing happen to the forests
I thinк it was happen by using dronez
These things now uses in war between Uкraine and RFederation very wide
You can destroy by them all things include tanкs
 
Unless you’ve been to these areas and actually seen the terrain and the reality of these fires when they burn, you really have zero idea of what it is like and the speed and intensity of them. There is no man made water system that could stop fires like this once they are cranking. When people talk about how during conditions like this firefighters need to be deployed everywhere ready, think of the ignorance of that statement. When a storm is about to hit do you bring your crews in and pay them to sit on overtime just in case a tree lands on a house? Look at how many red flag warning days Southern California has had in the last year. How many hours a year of overtime can one firefighter work? How many more would need to be hired to do that Could the economy even sustain that? No.

Solutions? Houses in most of our country are a mix an essentially kindling, and plastic. Hardening houses and other structures to be more resilient to embercast is a start, requiring large swaths of vegetation to be cleared around neighborhoods, homes, and escape routes is another. Controlled burns need to be increased to a degree that people are not comfortable with. Fuel will always eventually burn. In that environment it certainly doesn’t decay much. The big issues with controlled burns is pushback from the public, fear of any loss of structures, and environmental restrictions because of impacts on air and water quality. You can’t trim the trees enough and masticate the entire countryside to stop these fires. This terrain has been burning for eons and it needs to periodically burn. Loss of some structures needs to be accepted as part of controlled burns. Better to lose a few houses that maybe shouldn’t even be in certain areas to begin with than to lose entire communities to a massive fire. In extreme cases maybe the government should even condemn certain houses or neighborhoods as indefensible which would make getting mortgages and insurance impossible in those places and could offer to buy them to eliminate the issue.

I live in a place that is marked as a high hazard zone. I accept the risk because of the reward. But every summer when smoke fills the air and a fire is closer than is comfortable, I certainly start to get a bit anxious.
 
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