Daniel
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GRCS for sale
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Matias
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anyone know the packed shipping weight to check shipping costs with? I wanna give a good ballpark to my buddy when I tell him it's for sale
Ge
Get a Hobbs..
Matias
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I remember y'all singing it's praises, but does it have the winching capabilities of the Goods? I know I could look it up, but I am working on drawing up bathroom plans for a friend right now and just checking in because I am too easily distracted when I have my phone in hand.
southsoundtree
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There's a Hobbs mod thread around. Welding a socket in for power winching/ manual tailing.
Muggs
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ghostice
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Where's the crane?
Muggs
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Crane , helicopter, and hot air balloon are excluded from this diagram
Matias
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Probably the centermost circle in the diagram. That is strictly for lowering.
flushcut
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It’s around 100 lbs
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As far as durability? Hobbs by a mile. I have personally seen one too many GRCS's turned to shrapnel to ever trust it when bombing big wood. My original Hobbs which has been getting its ass kicked for nearly 4 decades is still chugging along, and this includes getting run over by a dozer.
Very misleading in my opinion, and it really comes down to what you need from a lowering device and your work environment. The Hobbs shines/excels at lowering and can lift, and the GRCS shines/excels at lifting and is not so good at lowering big weights if not using the bollard attachment. In my world I need lowering capabilities exponentially more than I need lifting capabilities. Plus the Hobbs can lower big weights and lift things without the need to switch out bits and bobs like the GRCS. What happens if you have a big log on the bollard of the GRCS and you need to lift it? Your fucked..What happens if you have the capstan and the need to bomb some big logs arises. Bit and bobs! Meanwhile the Hobbs takes it all in stride.
As far as durability? Hobbs by a mile. I have personally seen one too many GRCS's turned to shrapnel to ever trust it when bombing big wood. My original Hobbs which has been getting its ass kicked for nearly 4 decades is still chugging along, and this includes getting run over by a dozer.
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flushcut
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You should have added what you can do with a porty and a fiddle block, and what you can do with a few blocks and a mini with BMG.
Matias
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Yea, for my budget and the frequency with which I get opportunities to justify doing any lifting, I opted for a nice 5:1 setup with progress capture. I can build systems with more MA, and have done so to pull heavy leaners, but if one of my buddies wants to start a second crew that won't have a machine at first- just a chipper and chip truck that can carry a highly functional minimalist setup- then this is a good tool to have in the arsenal I think. Pulling power is useful and that 22:1 has moved some heavy loads by hand.
Muggs
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The amount of misunderstanding and frankly misinformation about the GRCS that continues to this day to circulate online really frustrates me. And then add on the fact that it is virtually impossible to ever have a conversation about it without the whole thing turning into a Hobbs vs. Goods debate....
I hemmed and hawed, back and forth, countless times over the span of 15 years about which one might be better, which was more versatile, which one was blah blah blah, and all that time, I didn't buy either one, because I didn't know what to believe, and I didn't want to get the "wrong" one. I just stuck with my old tried and true porty. I deeply regret that decision. In the span of 2 years now, the Goods has opened up so many options in my rigging that I didn't have access to before. I enjoy rigging big stuff now, it's fun. In all the work that I do, overhead rigging is at least 80% of it. And that quick tensioning with the Goods makes every single rig better. And negative rigging? The Harken handles it no problem, to the tune of snapping 3/4" double braids with no damage to the winch. I still haven't used the fixed bollard that comes with it, not even once. Can you make a GRCS explode if you fairlead into it wrong? Yes, you can.
I am not here to convert the unbelievers. But I don't see why every single discussion about the GRCS has to turn into a debate with the Hobbs. Both devices are amazing. Truly revolutionary game-changers. Having instant and easy access to real tension in your rigging will blow your mind. At least it did for me.
In the end for me it just came down to availability. It would have cost me every bit as much to bring a Hobbs over the border into Canuckistan as it did to just buy a Goods here. I only know of a couple places in the US that even sell the Hobbs. Would I love to have a Hobbs? Absolutely. I should have bought one the day I went into business for myself. I 100% understand why people love the Hobbs as much as they do. It's bomber. Solid steel. Heavy. None of that fancy stuff that a winch has. It's old-school, tried and true. I get it. If I ever get the chance to buy a used one I'll snap it up in a second, no hesitation. Both devices are great. Arguing over which is better just confuses people.
I hemmed and hawed, back and forth, countless times over the span of 15 years about which one might be better, which was more versatile, which one was blah blah blah, and all that time, I didn't buy either one, because I didn't know what to believe, and I didn't want to get the "wrong" one. I just stuck with my old tried and true porty. I deeply regret that decision. In the span of 2 years now, the Goods has opened up so many options in my rigging that I didn't have access to before. I enjoy rigging big stuff now, it's fun. In all the work that I do, overhead rigging is at least 80% of it. And that quick tensioning with the Goods makes every single rig better. And negative rigging? The Harken handles it no problem, to the tune of snapping 3/4" double braids with no damage to the winch. I still haven't used the fixed bollard that comes with it, not even once. Can you make a GRCS explode if you fairlead into it wrong? Yes, you can.
I am not here to convert the unbelievers. But I don't see why every single discussion about the GRCS has to turn into a debate with the Hobbs. Both devices are amazing. Truly revolutionary game-changers. Having instant and easy access to real tension in your rigging will blow your mind. At least it did for me.
In the end for me it just came down to availability. It would have cost me every bit as much to bring a Hobbs over the border into Canuckistan as it did to just buy a Goods here. I only know of a couple places in the US that even sell the Hobbs. Would I love to have a Hobbs? Absolutely. I should have bought one the day I went into business for myself. I 100% understand why people love the Hobbs as much as they do. It's bomber. Solid steel. Heavy. None of that fancy stuff that a winch has. It's old-school, tried and true. I get it. If I ever get the chance to buy a used one I'll snap it up in a second, no hesitation. Both devices are great. Arguing over which is better just confuses people.
evo
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Regarding Hobbs vs GRCS
One isn’t better than the other. They are different yet similar tools.
GRCS fits my needs better. One can lower some huge stuff, I’ve solo lowered 80’ 20-24” diameter Doug firs whole, I’ve put a scary amount of weight on them. They have more moving parts and need to be maintained. Perhaps this is where some of the failures have come from?
GRCS shouldn’t have the winch shock loaded, so obviously not the best for neg rigging huge wood. That’s what the bollard is for.
So Hobbs for negative rigging and a little pulling
GRCS for winching and some negative rigging on the winch. Huge chunks switch out to the bollard.
Now for this GRCS. Check to see if it’s the updated winch. Well worth the extra cost for the newer winch. Also check the hash marks, if worn smooth you’ll loose some winching gripping power. Still functional but needs more babying.
The price this is being sold at is the new price about 5 years ago.
This is about $600 off new price. Or only 17% off new.
One isn’t better than the other. They are different yet similar tools.
GRCS fits my needs better. One can lower some huge stuff, I’ve solo lowered 80’ 20-24” diameter Doug firs whole, I’ve put a scary amount of weight on them. They have more moving parts and need to be maintained. Perhaps this is where some of the failures have come from?
GRCS shouldn’t have the winch shock loaded, so obviously not the best for neg rigging huge wood. That’s what the bollard is for.
So Hobbs for negative rigging and a little pulling
GRCS for winching and some negative rigging on the winch. Huge chunks switch out to the bollard.
Now for this GRCS. Check to see if it’s the updated winch. Well worth the extra cost for the newer winch. Also check the hash marks, if worn smooth you’ll loose some winching gripping power. Still functional but needs more babying.
The price this is being sold at is the new price about 5 years ago.
This is about $600 off new price. Or only 17% off new.
evo
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Tell your buddy they are better off buying new with free shipping.
Serf Life
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Pretty sure that’s the cost we paid a yr ago through Bartlett on sale. I love the grcs, for normal residential work it is incredibly good. 9/16 atlas makes for seemless lift and lower.
Muggs
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Hobbs!
GRCS!
