Rigging down logs stance

[Serf Life]

I get the idea of climber calling wraps but personally disagree, (most of the time). Maybe take a small log to start and call the wrap or discuss, then it is the person on the ground who is the expert. For example one wrap and a tight grip or 2.5 wraps and no grip could feel the same aloft. I’m spoiled tho

 

[Daniel]

I get the idea of climber calling wraps but personally disagree, (most of the time). Maybe take a small log to start and call the wrap or discuss, then it is the person on the ground who is the expert. For example one wrap and a tight grip or 2.5 wraps and no grip could feel the same aloft. I’m spoiled tho

it's pretty simple.. no, 1 or 2, with three being the rare exception. 4 is locking it off and I never use on a porty.. GRCS is different, but mine stays in the garage for years at a time...

 

[27RMT0N]

For me it is a conversation with the person running ropes. "That last piece was great, this one will be about the same weight", or "This will be a bit heavier, maybe add half a wrap", "Let this one run more". But yah, the person on the rope has to use their judgement for the most part, I'm just trying to describe the piece in relation to the last one, so they have something to reference and potentially make adjustments.

It's teamwork, not guesswork.

 

[Treetopflyer]

For me it is a conversation with the person running ropes. "That last piece was great, this one will be about the same weight", or "This will be a bit heavier, maybe add half a wrap", "Let this one run more". But yah, the person on the rope has to use their judgement for the most part, I'm just trying to describe the piece in relation to the last one, so they have something to reference and potentially make adjustments.

It's teamwork, not guesswork.

That’s exactly right and this was the first negative rigged log of that tree and with the broken down ford and the house there I believe he didn’t want to have it get away from him in the little vid I put up

 

[Daniel]

It's teamwork,

And the climber is quarterbacking it.... it's his call, his responsibility and his life at risk.

I had forgotten about this video, until coincidentally someone just commented on it:

this video is a great teaching piece.. for all those that want to learn something, notice that the push and pull from the piece starting its motion and being caught in the arc by the rope didn't do much to shake the trunk. It's only when the top swings back and slams into the trunk that creates the violent shake. If you watch the video closely, you can see the stub you left on the top made the initial impact with a direct hit, so that likely created a much more focused impact that amplified the shake. Leaving that stub was part of the problem, and yes some bad luck that it hit the way it did. Letting it run both slows the swing and then makes the impact hit lower on the trunk, all of which reduces the shake. hope you (ALL) learned something

 

[southsoundtree]

For me it is a conversation with the person running ropes. "That last piece was great, this one will be about the same weight", or "This will be a bit heavier, maybe add half a wrap", "Let this one run more". But yah, the person on the rope has to use their judgement for the most part, I'm just trying to describe the piece in relation to the last one, so they have something to reference and potentially make adjustments.

It's teamwork, not guesswork.

After the catch/ lowering, getting feedback is important.

Similarly, when someone is pulling, without or with a rope-puller/ MA, getting an idea of their exertion is important. I generally ask for a light test pull when pulling by hand. If they give it a 3 out of 10 when prepping to pull a top, I can assess how much they move the tree before the facecut and/ or backcut and if we need to adjust anything, such as adding MA.

 

[Daniel]