RRP and lumpy rope

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WannaClimb

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Is it normal for a RRP to compress your rope in certain areas?

After doing some pruning (it was about a 50' descent), I did a post inspection of my KM iii and noticed it was a little lumpy. It was the first time it was ever used. It does have a spliced eye on both ends.

Could this be "milking?"

Would cutting one eye off help? (Could it weaken the rope?)

Thanks in advance
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I don't think there is any issue unless it gets really bad and bunched up in one area. I splice eyes on both ends on my double braid ropes and have not milked the rope before doing the second splice and notice some bunching but I switch ends every other climb so it evens out. I have started to milk the double braids when I splice them without a
Noticeable difference. I bought a length of xstatic a couple months ago and asked to have it milked before they sewed the second eye. Don't know if they did or not but there is a little bunching on it too. I am what one would call a plus sized climber as well so if the rope is going to bunch up, it will do it under my weight where a lighter climber won't cause so much.
 
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WannaClimb said:
Is it normal for a RRP to compress your rope in certain areas?

After doing some pruning (it was about a 50' descent), I did a post inspection of my KM iii and noticed it was a little lumpy. It was the first time it was ever used. It does have a spliced eye on both ends.

Could this be "milking?"

Would cutting one eye off help? (Could it weaken the rope?)

Thanks in advance
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I don’t think cutting an end off would weaken your rope….. I’ve never handled KM or any version similar, but when my 24 strands are new and I haven’t milked them the bunching of the core/jacket interface drives me nuts…. I think it performs like shit too.
 
I run non spliced KM3max. You have to cut one eye off. Never ever, and I repeat, never ever splice both ends of a rope. Ever. Did I say ever ..... good now that we have that clear. Cut that splice off....then milk the shit out of the rope from the spliced eye to the end, make sure the end is taped but not burned. Run at least 6 passes to milk the rope. Fuck baggy rope. Now just remember this rope sucks DdRT, so if it was me I would cut both eyes off. Just saying. I hate spliced climblines unless it is my dedicated crane rope. I never climb DdRT so a non issue for me. But others will switch back and forth so a spliced eye is great on 24 strand ropes or bless those that use 16 strand still.
 
Chris Schultz said:
I don’t think cutting an end off would weaken your rope….. I’ve never handled KM or any version similar, but when my 24 strands are new and I haven’t milked them the bunching of the core/jacket interface drives me nuts…. I think it performs like shit too.
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Nuts is not the word Chris, madness is the word. Madness running unmilked climblines. Just run like pure crap.
 
Thanks for the responses fellas. I spoke with Teufelberger and they told me basically the same advice being given in here. You guys are awesome
 
Boomslang said:
As long as it won't impact your climb line too much, cut off a 15-20' section so you can at least use it as a lanyard. Be a shame to waste a perfectly good splice.
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Oh yes I would cut 2 twelve foot pieces from both splices. Two lanyards. Use the rope only for SRT, using another rope on retrieval side or join two ropes for base tied rope. Climb off KM3 max side.....lots of options. I use a lot of shorter ropes SRT. Doing so for many many years. 100' can weave through a crown nicely using a 70' as retrieval. On larger you can go 140 etc. Trees here are wide, not very tall.
 
Lately I’ve been a huge fan of shorter ropes. (Obviously you need enough to get down in an emergency) But it’s so nice to not have a jumbled mess of rope down low to get tangled up. When moving through the canopy it can be tiring to haul excessive amounts of rope through crotches/branches etc…
 
Chris Schultz said:
Lately I’ve been a huge fan of shorter ropes. (Obviously you need enough to get down in an emergency) But it’s so nice to not have a jumbled mess of rope down low to get tangled up. When moving through the canopy it can be tiring to haul excessive amounts of rope through crotches/branches etc…
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You seen the light. Darkside action. I have gotten so good at knowing what length of rope I need for a particular climb. I own so many sections of rope. No splices....I can just choose as I know my work orders in advance. Mixing things up spices things up. Oh the fun in tropical trees.
 
When I worked in the city and did a large variety of trees and sizes I had like 4 different lengths of ropes and it sure makes things easier. Now where I live it's all tall conifers, so I only have 200s now and one 300 for the big boys.
 
Same here. A 95' tree is a monster in this neck of the woods. I still buy all 200' ropes as I climb MRS, or whatever they are calling it this week. And all my rigging lines are also 200'. Bought a 150' climb line a few months ago and have never taken it out with me. Might just make an anchor line out of it to hold my DRT set in the tree.
I would love to climb one of those 200 foot trees out west some time. Probably would take me an hour to get up there, but the experience would be worth it.
 
Shadowscape said:
Same here. A 95' tree is a monster in this neck of the woods. I still buy all 200' ropes as I climb MRS, or whatever they are calling it this week. And all my rigging lines are also 200'. Bought a 150' climb line a few months ago and have never taken it out with me. Might just make an anchor line out of it to hold my DRT set in the tree.
I would love to climb one of those 200 foot trees out west some time. Probably would take me an hour to get up there, but the experience would be worth it.
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Like fine wine or whisky, an hour to savor the experience would be but a blink.
 
islandarb said:
Oh yes I would cut 2 twelve foot pieces from both splices. Two lanyards. Use the rope only for SRT, using another rope on retrieval side or join two ropes for base tied rope. Climb off KM3 max side.....lots of options. I use a lot of shorter ropes SRT. Doing so for many many years. 100' can weave through a crown nicely using a 70' as retrieval. On larger you can go 140 etc. Trees here are wide, not very tall.
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Hello, islandarb. Please forgive this newbie question. When you talk about joining two shorter lengths of rope for use with a base tied SRT system, what is your method of joining the two ropes together? Do you put termination knots on biners and then connect to a piece of rigging hardware in between? Or is there a more elegant and simple solution? I would think a knot of some kind used to join two ropes might be difficult to get undone once used with full weight on SRT, not to mention maybe not as safe as some other method, which is why I'm asking the question.

Thanks for your patience with me, and in advance for any answers you choose to provide.
 
TimBr said:
Hello, islandarb. Please forgive this newbie question. When you talk about joining two shorter lengths of rope for use with a base tied SRT system, what is your method of joining the two ropes together? Do you put termination knots on biners and then connect to a piece of rigging hardware in between? Or is there a more elegant and simple solution? I would think a knot of some kind used to join two ropes might be difficult to get undone once used with full weight on SRT, not to mention maybe not as safe as some other method, which is why I'm asking the question.

Thanks for your patience with me, and in advance for any answers you choose to provide.
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Simple double fisherman's Tim. Send it to near the top and I then use an alpine and quickie to basetie.
 
Shadowscape said:
Same here. A 95' tree is a monster in this neck of the woods. I still buy all 200' ropes as I climb MRS, or whatever they are calling it this week. And all my rigging lines are also 200'. Bought a 150' climb line a few months ago and have never taken it out with me. Might just make an anchor line out of it to hold my DRT set in the tree.
I would love to climb one of those 200 foot trees out west some time. Probably would take me an hour to get up there, but the experience would be worth it.
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I use 100ft lines all the time, small trees and gaff removal less to have to carry around and fits in my gear bag.
 
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