Trees from a distance

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Mick Dempsey said:
Hedge laying is coming back into vogue in the UK, I follow a few guys on social media, rewarding work but requires all the qualities that I lack, attention to detail, willingness to work in bad weather etc.
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Lol same.

I’ve played around with waddle fencing, but the bbc reenactment series makes it looks easier than it is.
 
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Stumpsprouts said:
Interesting perspective…

They are host to 49 insects, which isn’t too shabby. Nothing close to the hundreds of insects oaks support, but way more than, say liriodendron. A fantastic edge habitat tree in my opinion.


The insect population is, from what I’ve been reading, a really important indicator as to the amount of food that a plant community is really producing, since bugs are the groundwork for the food web (birds eat bugs, medium mammals eat birds, and so on)

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3 of those list Carpinus as the preferred host. It doesn't say whether any of those are obligated to Carprinus...which would be the most important question.

You can grow whatever you want on the edge...we aren't growing good timber out there anyhow :LOL: (seriously, though, besides invasive species, I'd rather see thick shrubs along the edges. I don't see much Carpinus on the edge though.

Bottom line...I didn't mean to hate on Carpinus. The bigger point is that I've evolved to appreciate them as a great landscape tree.

Just for kicks, while we wait for a new tree, what do you all call Carpinus caroliniana for a common name?

I learned it as muscle wood or American hornbeam.

I hear a lot of people call it ironwood. I don't like that because there are several others genera of tree that are also called ironwood - depending on where you are. Around here, the more common would be Ostrya (Eastern hop-hornbeam).

Other names I've seen/heard are Blue beech and Water beech. Again, not a fan of those because it confuses people - as it is not a beech.
 
Muscle wood or blue beech. Marginal species around here but a few spots have a smattering in the woods. Hop hornbeam is nice because it’s more specific than “hornbeam” or “ironwood”. We took down a 15” Ostrya for a septic job (otherwise would have fought to save it) and had it milled it into stair treads.
 
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I just started saying carpinus - ignoring that there are others in the genus. but of all the common names I tend to use ironwood and just call ostrya by its Latin name too
I do like common names though, interesting how many some species get and it’s fun to be a know- it- all about the misnomers
For instance, did you know that chestnut was named that because early settlers used their sea- chests to store the nuts ?
 
Neill said:
Ok that bit about chestnuts was total BS
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I had seen a long story about the origins of the name recently in Instagram, interesting etymology and goes way back before English iirc..
ATH said:
Bottom line...I didn't mean to hate on Carpinus. The bigger point is that I've evolved to appreciate them as a great landscape tree.

Just for kicks, while we wait for a new tree, what do you all call Carpinus caroliniana for a common name?
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It’s always interesting to look at the same patch of land from a foresters perspective versus residential arborist versus botanist versus entomologist versus herbalist. I think there’s always a lot of good, and different ways to manage the same patch of land.

Like Neil I’ve been taking to calling it Carpinus. I’ve mostly heard it mostly referred to as ironwood. In Manhattan, on my first day of tree work, we were doing PHC on a killer hedge of it, there it was called hornbeam. Blue beech actually makes more sense since it’s in the same family. Way more sense than, say, chestnut oak or tulip poplar.
 
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Stumpsprouts said:
I had seen a long story about the origins of the name recently in Instagram, interesting etymology and goes way back before English iirc..

It’s always interesting to look at the same patch of land from a foresters perspective versus residential arborist versus botanist versus entomologist versus herbalist. I think there’s always a lot of good, and different ways to manage the same patch of land.

Like Neil I’ve been taking to calling it Carpinus. I’ve mostly heard it mostly referred to as ironwood. In Manhattan, on my first day of tree work, we were doing PHC on a killer hedge of it, there it was called hornbeam. Blue beech actually makes more sense since it’s in the same family. Way more sense than, say, chestnut oak or tulip poplar.
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Beech and hornbeam, despite looking similar, are not in the same family of trees.
 
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