Def gotta make sure nothing gently touches that trigger at all. Like a twig or one’s own thigh.
New father to a Captain Hook looking for setup advice
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moss
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Thx! Yeah I bailed out of the YouTube circus a long time ago.
-AJ
moss
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Adjustable Compact Bulldog Bone is excellent on 10mm hook line. Lot of people like the Akimbo. Either are more expensive than most people want to pay for a hook line adjuster/multicender.
-AJ
Might be worth looking at the camp druid pro, bit smaller than the giant but similar function. I really like using my giant when I'm working down a spar/pole on spurs and positioning for a limb walk it's just a smooth solid device that's really easy to use.
The Mad rock safeguard is a good and compact tool that works well for many lanyard-type applications.
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A picture of it in use on below link.
Safeguard (Springless)
SAFEGUARDS ARE RESTOCKED Springless Lifeguard By constructing the Lifeguard without the internal spring, the Safeguard is a great tool for rescue and rigging work. It will lock onto the rope with very little force giving you the confidence that once the position of the rope is set the device...
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A picture of it in use on below link.
Camp Gyro
I had to change the bridge on my S. Light and decided to try this little triple swivel. Really like it! No idea how it will work long-term but it sure is nice for keeping everything in alignment.
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moss
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Yep, price of all the very good multicenders is not a good match for Hook use, unless (like me) your Hook gets a lot of use in daily climbing. Even so by my criteria the multicender needs to work with 10 or even better 9mm lines. I’m getting long accurate throws using 9mm. Also, has to be a straight path through the device for me or no deal. I put a lot of hook hours on the Trango Cinch, great device but any of those belay devices are a eventually a PIA if you use the Hook regularly. I think wear is not a major issue for multicender devices. Relatively short line, no big rappels out of trees.
-AJ
I don't think he's saying that they wear too fast or aren't worth it just that you almost can't wear one out using it with a captains hook. Not really sure what you could do besides a friction based device or that I would want one, only being able to come to a dead instant stop bombing out of a tree sounds pretty terrible. I don't have any experience with the akimbo but I have a decent number of hours on my RRP and it's made me many times it's cost back and still in good shape.
I got two Trango Cinches, a Trango Vergo, and a MadRock Safe Guard. They have their differences but performance is about the same. I think 10mm is the max diameter for the Vergo, I tried it with 11mm and it was difficult to pay out any slack. I haven’t used one, but I’ll bet the Petzl Grillon would work about the same too.
I might’ve mentioned before, I got a sack of like 20 single cotter Slic pins, I think 5/16” diameter whereas the ones we see on the RopeWrench, Quickie, and Runner are 3/8”. Either that or they’re 1/4” and the Wrench ones are 5/16”. At any rate they’re smaller than the ones we usually see. If anyone wants one to make their own mini wrench, you’re welcome to one. Probably would mail cheap in a normal envelope. Message me if you want one.
I might’ve mentioned before, I got a sack of like 20 single cotter Slic pins, I think 5/16” diameter whereas the ones we see on the RopeWrench, Quickie, and Runner are 3/8”. Either that or they’re 1/4” and the Wrench ones are 5/16”. At any rate they’re smaller than the ones we usually see. If anyone wants one to make their own mini wrench, you’re welcome to one. Probably would mail cheap in a normal envelope. Message me if you want one.
moss
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Yep, you’re not going to wear out an Akimbo out as a hook line adjuster ever. Bulldog Bone is super wear resistant in regular climbing use and wear parts are easy to replace.
-AJ
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Plus you can take it off the hook line and transfer it to a second climbing line in just seconds.
moss
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Key point! Gear can be moved around and used for different purposes at different times.
-AJ
There already exists a device which can apply pressure to the rope evenly around all surfaces, is cheap to replace, midline attachable, etc. It's a hitch. 8mm HRC works awesome on the 10mm hook line, paired with a tending device like a pulley or the Shizzl. The only weakness of the hitch is that it doesn't release perfectly when it is carrying most of your weight, but for most users the frequency of that being the case is pretty low. Even when that is the case, there are usually ways to mitigate the problem like using your other hand for friction or to reduce weight on the hitch, using an 8 or a munter, etc. I've been using a hitch on mine for a while and it works great, but isn't perfect. I think there is a reason @moss has opted to create the mini wrench, and that reason is that it makes the hitch a near perfect solution.
moss
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Yep. Easy finger-tip adjustment with a hitch-based mini multicender makes the hook more versatile and appealing to use.
Since I use my 15' short lanyard a lot in SRT mode same problem. I do what you describe, Essentially my arm becomes a rope wrench and tether, grab above the hitch, share the load enough to unjam the hitch and make it work for short duration unloading, moving out on the 15' lanyard.
This vid has some of that and a few other things, especially... since I ended up using the tail of my main climbing rope to continue a traverse with a Munter Hitch progress capture I can imagine the most simple/cheap possible but highly functional both directions hook line adjuster would be the Munter. Does not pass the @Tom Dunlap whistle test though (let go of the line and you should not "go anywhere". In the vid I'm simply locking the Munter as I go with my hand. Hands-free lock-off is with an F8 on a bight. There could be a way to make that Munter hands-off self grabbing, more thought needed if you're seeking an ultra minimal multi-directional "Ghost Hook Line Adjuster" ;-) Otherwise user beware. Imagine sneezing and reflexively letting go of the tail. Good-bye and good luck on your landing!
Standard very not bad disclaimer: Much of what I show is ongoing research and development to make my climbing easier and more effective, with less wear and tear on the body. I cover my ass in ways that might not be visible in my videos. If you engage in this kind of trickery, cover your ass too! It is mandatory.
-AJ
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moss
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As it turns out nothing is perfect but some things are more perfect than others ;-) Climb on!
-AJ
@Pinhead Squirrel , a couple times I’m seeing the words “ small rigging capable” in your posts about climbing devices. Is that just another way of saying small rope capable? Like sailor lingo? We’re not talking about actual rigging like lifting and lowering material, right?
I don't have the Gnome, but like the look of it and how it is mid line attachable without having to take it off the carabiner. The eccentric axle intrigues me also. The video says it was 7 years in development, but evidently it has been removed from production?
Matias
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That's exactly what I had in mind for myself when I get my hook, as I bought a second zillon when I thought my first was stolen.
Matias
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What do mean? Have you seen the setup in ghostice's video?
