Roe v Wade overturned

What about the life of the mother, @climbhightree?

I know someone quite personally that might very well die from pregnancy due to medical conditions.
Every effort should be made to save both lives. If the parents want the babies life to be the priority, then it should be. If the mother's life is the priority, then it should be too. That doesn't mean that you just go in there and kill it though. Every step and process should be taken to save the life of the baby. If the baby dies after all of the above, then it was not an abortion.

The have been a lot of babies that have been born early, or removed via C section early that have survived.
 
Ps - I would be happy if the abortion laws said only in the case of rape. Would I want more than that, yes. But just having that in place would make me extremely happy for the many lives that would be saved.
Wow. Did you just give in inch in your utterly cruel and inhuman stance on what victims of rape/incest should be allowed to do with their own bodies? Did you just state here that your are ok with a rape/incest exemption? If so we just had a moment..
 
Wow. Did you just give in inch in your utterly cruel and inhuman stance on what victims of rape/incest should be allowed to do with their own bodies? Did you just state here that your are ok with a rape/incest exemption? If so we just had a moment..
Did you read the whole post? You may want to go back and delete this one too.
 
The same could be said if you put yourself in the place of the baby being torn apart and killed.
In your view.
Raining here :-(

Not a world view it is a science natural world view. Animals have sex and it creates babies. Humans have sex and it creates babies. We have the mental power and control to not have sex, and the choice to not be a parent before having sex.
“Indeed, mother bears, felines, canids, primates, and many species of rodents—from rats to prairie dogs—have all been seen killing and eating their young. Insects, fish, amphibians, reptiles, and birds also have been implicated in killing, and sometimes devouring, the young of their own kind. When mammalian mothers give birth, they must begin nursing their infants—something they can do only if they're healthy and well nourished. But if, for instance, a mother bear in the wild gives birth to unhealthy or deformed cubs, or is unable to find enough to eat, she will typically kill and consume them. "They become a resource, one she can't afford to waste," Barthel says. A mother bear—or lion or wild dog—does the same if she can't nurse her cubs or find food for them. And if one of her cubs dies, she'll most likely eat it immediately, as Khali did. This nourishes her and has the added benefit of removing the carcass. "That way there's nothing rotting in her den which might attract predators," Barthel says.” https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...h-bear-zoo-infanticide-chimps-bonobos-animals
 
I’m going to get very personal with this rape argument.

Long before I was conceived my mother was raped by a neighbor before she was a legal adult. This progressed into a pregnancy where she gave up her daughter at birth.
This left a deep emotional scar on my mother which continued into my fucked up childhood. When I left the ‘nest’ at 15 my mom researched and found her daughter who was in rehab. Turned out some crazy seventh day Adventists adopted her at birth and continued a cycle of physical/emotional/and sexual abuse on my sister.
She’s lived the past 20-25 years in a mental health group home. The meds they give her leave her as a shell of a person, but without them she hears voices…
I can go on with more details with the amount of trauma passed down the generations this rape caused.
My point is, don’t fucken tell me it’s only a small % of rape victims so it doesn’t matter. Adoption and being forced to carry the pregnancy to teen is cruel unusual punishment.

I have never met a woman who didn’t seriously consider her options with a unwanted pregnancy. I’ve never met one who didn’t give ALOT of thought in her RIGHT on her of choice.
 
In your view.

“Indeed, mother bears, felines, canids, primates, and many species of rodents—from rats to prairie dogs—have all been seen killing and eating their young. Insects, fish, amphibians, reptiles, and birds also have been implicated in killing, and sometimes devouring, the young of their own kind. When mammalian mothers give birth, they must begin nursing their infants—something they can do only if they're healthy and well nourished. But if, for instance, a mother bear in the wild gives birth to unhealthy or deformed cubs, or is unable to find enough to eat, she will typically kill and consume them. "They become a resource, one she can't afford to waste," Barthel says. A mother bear—or lion or wild dog—does the same if she can't nurse her cubs or find food for them. And if one of her cubs dies, she'll most likely eat it immediately, as Khali did. This nourishes her and has the added benefit of removing the carcass. "That way there's nothing rotting in her den which might attract predators," Barthel says.” https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...h-bear-zoo-infanticide-chimps-bonobos-animals
So we are animals? We should eat are kids too? We should cull the world population to fit our own needs/wants?

I feel we are better than animals and have a higher standard and choice. Hence why I say the choice of pregnancy starts at the choice of having sex. Animals definitely don't think like that.
 
I’m going to get very personal with this rape argument.

Long before I was conceived my mother was raped by a neighbor before she was a legal adult. This progressed into a pregnancy where she gave up her daughter at birth.
This left a deep emotional scar on my mother which continued into my fucked up childhood. When I left the ‘nest’ at 15 my mom researched and found her daughter who was in rehab. Turned out some crazy seventh day Adventists adopted her at birth and continued a cycle of physical/emotional/and sexual abuse on my sister.
She’s lived the past 20-25 years in a mental health group home. The meds they give her leave her as a shell of a person, but without them she hears voices…
I can go on with more details with the amount of trauma passed down the generations this rape caused.
My point is, don’t fucken tell me it’s only a small % of rape victims so it doesn’t matter. Adoption and being forced to carry the pregnancy to teen is cruel unusual punishment.

I have never met a woman who didn’t seriously consider her options with a unwanted pregnancy. I’ve never met one who didn’t give ALOT of thought in her RIGHT on her of choice.
And if the others have one bit of compassion and sanity left, they will be moved by the brave telling of your story and end this ridiculous debate. In their view, the unborn always trump the living, and they feel they have the right to impose their own "morality" on those who disagree. I fear that's not going to change--ever! Good luck to you and your sister . . .
 
Did you read the whole post? You may want to go back and delete this one too.
Were are having a discussion on whether you would be ok with the victims of rape/incest being allowed to have an abortion if they so chose...

Your response - "I would be happy if the abortion laws said only in the case of rape."
So again I ask, would you afford the victim of rape/incest the right to get an abortion if that was their choice?
 
I’m going to get very personal with this rape argument.

Long before I was conceived my mother was raped by a neighbor before she was a legal adult. This progressed into a pregnancy where she gave up her daughter at birth.
This left a deep emotional scar on my mother which continued into my fucked up childhood. When I left the ‘nest’ at 15 my mom researched and found her daughter who was in rehab. Turned out some crazy seventh day Adventists adopted her at birth and continued a cycle of physical/emotional/and sexual abuse on my sister.
She’s lived the past 20-25 years in a mental health group home. The meds they give her leave her as a shell of a person, but without them she hears voices…
I can go on with more details with the amount of trauma passed down the generations this rape caused.
My point is, don’t fucken tell me it’s only a small % of rape victims so it doesn’t matter. Adoption and being forced to carry the pregnancy to teen is cruel unusual punishment.

I have never met a woman who didn’t seriously consider her options with a unwanted pregnancy. I’ve never met one who didn’t give ALOT of thought in her RIGHT on her of choice.
I never said it didn't matter. I said it was a moot point, on whether I agreed with it or not and that it is a slim percentage of the abortions being done.

The guilt and grief goes both ways. There are lots of stories out there of mothers grieving over their past abortions, and medical issues due to those abortions.

What happened to your mother and sister isn't right. There is no way I can understand that pain and suffering, and saying I'm sorry it happened would probably be like a slap in the face to some people. There is extreme evil in this world in every religion, area and person. The world sucks. To escape one evil to just get wrapped up in another is horrible.

As Reach said, I just don't feel that 2 wrongs make a right. The baby didn't cause the rape. Taking it out of the innocent babies life, is just wrong to me.
 
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So we are animals? We should eat are kids too? We should cull the world population to fit our own needs/wants?

I feel we are better than animals and have a higher standard and choice. Hence why I say the choice of pregnancy starts at the choice of having sex. Animals definitely don't think like that.
Oh we eat our children, but we just do it with AR15's and high capacity mags...
 
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Were are having a discussion on whether you would be ok with the victims of rape/incest being allowed to have an abortion if they so chose...

Your response - "I would be happy if the abortion laws said only in the case of rape."
So again I ask, would you afford the victim of rape/incest the right to get an abortion if that was their choice?
What does the next sentence say?

It says I would want more than that. I'd be happy with a law that says only in the case of rape because that alone would save millions of lives. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't support even strict or laws to protect the innocent.
 
Also, even if she chose to raise her baby, that doesn't negate her being able to move forward with her aspirations and potential.
In fact, statistically, and in the real world, it may very well negate her chances. You just refuse to accept other people's realities. You can only see their situation from your perspective: You are carrying an unwanted child, you go to your Pro-Life Center, you go to your church, you find solace in the Bible. Please realize that many upstanding, conscientious, and deserving women do not wish to follow your guidelines.

Best of luck in all things. I'm out!
 
What does the next sentence say?

It says I would want more than that. I'd be happy with a law that says only in the case of rape because that alone would save millions of lives. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't support even strict or laws to protect the innocent.
So that a yes then? You would sign off on the victims a rape and incest being allowed to have an abortion if they chose to do so.. If so, I compliment on your little shred of compromise.
 
I never said it didn't matter. I said it was a mute point, on whether I agreed with it or not and that it is a slim percentage of the abortions being done.

The guilt and grief goes both ways. There are lots of stories out there of mothers grieving over their past abortions, and medical issues due to those abortions.

What happened to your mother and sister isn't right. There is no way I can understand that pain and suffering, and saying I'm sorry it happened would probably be like a slap in the face to some people. There is extreme evil in this world in every religion, area and person. The world sucks. To escape one evil to just get wrapped up in another is horrible.

As Reach said, I just don't feel that 2 wrongs make a right. The baby didn't cause the rape. Taking it out of the innocent babies life, is just wrong to me.
Then why in the hell is it being brought up as a talking point? The subtext is obviously rape induced pregnancies is such a small minority of all pregnancies it doesn’t matter.
Tell me I’m wrong. Aka “a moot point”
If my mom choose abortion should she have to stand trial to prove her case?
We all have to make choices and live with the consequences of those choices. But when those choices are one of force it’s akin to rape
 
Then why in the hell is it being brought up as a talking point? The subtext is obviously rape induced pregnancies is such a small minority of all pregnancies it doesn’t matter.
Tell me I’m wrong. Aka “a moot point”
If my mom choose abortion should she have to stand trial to prove her case?
We all have to make choices and live with the consequences of those choices. But when those choices are one of force it’s akin to rape
I wasn't the one bringing it up. I was just responding to those that have been, by saying it wasn't really their issue and that it is minority of the abortion cases being preformed.

I said I'm against all abortions. Many of you all said your for all abortions, no matter the reason or age (with a variance in that). I just saying rape isn't the primary factor here...I am not saying it doesn't matter or that it isn't a horrible evil situation.
 
Would you sign off on that, only in case of rape?
Yes I would, because when dealing with wing-nutz like yourself it is some progress..America will never be allowed to become a nation where the victims of rape and incest are force to carry their pregnancies to term. Not gonna fucking happen. Its pure taliban like lunacy.

As i said earlier, you are small majority of an already existing minority so your view of the world is irrelevant to the long term progress and growth of this nation. We the people will right the ship, and a woman right to choice will once again become the law of the land. Why? Because that is what the American people have consistently shown they want...
 
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