Roe v Wade overturned

climbhightree said:
So you are drawing the worst case scenario at every turn. What percentage of abortions do you think are from the above scenario? Are you OK with a stance of you can't get a abortion, unless in a case if rape? Because if you say they can get it whenever, the above scenario doesn't really matter to you so why bring it up? You would still fight for abortion if we said OK for rape.

There are many famous people that were products of rape and/or adoption. Should we erase them all from society. I know plenty of teenage moms that kept their lives together and accepted responsibility for their actions.
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With respect, that's sort of like saying, "I'm not a racist because I work with black people and they're not all bad."

If I may, I think @Stumpsprouts main point was that forcing a woman to carry to term initiates a series of societal challenges that may very well negate the WOMAN's aspirations and potential. What if that woman--after having a legal abortion and finishing school--went on to become a pediatrician who saved many living, breathing children? Again, you place the rights of a fledgling, potential being before the rights of a grown woman: That would really piss me off if I were a woman.

Meanwhile, can you really say that ANY life is better than no life? If so, I must ask why suicide rates continue to rise. Without quoting statistics, I would guess they are mostly anomic suicides that occur when folks cannot find their place in society (completely understandable these days). I understand that many of you have religion to fall back on, and I am happy for you (except when you work to instill your beliefs in me, or force them on pregnant women).

But for me--a humanitarian man who though spiritual in nature has never been moved by orthodox religious tenets (and who is aware of how many children continue to be assaulted by priests)--it just does not work. Honestly, if I attended a Catholic church, I would likely stand up and ask the priest what he, personally, is doing to save existing children from priests' clutches, never mind his intent to bring all "life" to fruition. That priest's answer would determine whether or not I remained in the building.

The night before he died, my father was visited by a priest, whom he asked the following question: "Father, if I've been a bastard all my life, abused my children and broke trust with my wife, will I be saved if I receive last rights?" "Oh, yes, of course," said the priest. "Get out of my room," said my father . . .
 
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If I may, I think @Stumpsprouts main point was that forcing a woman to carry to term initiates a series of societal challenges that may very well negate the WOMAN's aspirations and potential. What if that woman--after having a legal abortion and finishing school--went on the become a pediatrician who saved many living, breathing children? Again, you place the rights of a fledgling, potential being before the rights of a grown woman: That would really piss me off if I were a woman.
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That woman also has the choice to have her baby be adopted...and BOTH she and her baby can go do great things. Also, even if she chose to raise her baby, that doesn't negate her being able to move forward with her aspirations and potential.

As a woman (and the sole one in this conversation, I think), it doesn't piss me off that unborn babies have a right to life AND women have a right to choose to place their baby up for adoption or choose to raise it.

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Body sovereignty trumps all. Would you be ok if the government compelled you to donate blood or a kidney or liver to save another life? What if they harvested all of your organs after death without your permission? Perhaps all males should be given forced vasectomies since that eliminates accidental pregnancy? You can only have it reversed after marriage and with written permission from your wife. Or forced adoption? You, not the parents, wanted this life, you can care for it.
 
JCB said:
With respect, that's sort of like saying, "I'm not a racist because I work with black people and they're not all bad."

If I may, I think @Stumpsprouts main point was that forcing a woman to carry to term initiates a series of societal challenges that may very well negate the WOMAN's aspirations and potential. What if that woman--after having a legal abortion and finishing school--went on the become a pediatrician who saved many living, breathing children? Again, you place the rights of a fledgling, potential being before the rights of a grown woman: That would really piss me off if I were a woman.

Meanwhile, can you really say that ANY life is better than no life? If so, I must ask why suicide rates continue to rise. Without quoting statistics, I would guess they are mostly anomic suicides that occur when folks cannot find their place in society (completely understandable these days). I understand that many of you have religion to fall back on, and I am happy for you (except when you work to instill your beliefs in me, or on pregnant women).

But for me--a humanitarian man who though spiritual in nature has never been moved by orthodox religious tenets (and who is aware of how many children continue to be assaulted by priests)--it just does not work. Honestly, if I attended a Catholic church, I would likely stand up and ask the priest what he, personally, is doing to save existing children from priests' clutches, never mind his intent to bring all "life" to fruition. That priest's answer would determine whether or not I remained in the building.

The night before he died, my father was visited by a priest, whom he asked the following question: "Father, if I've been a bastard all my life, abused my children and broke trust with my wife, will I be saved if I receive last rights?" "Oh, yes, of course," said the priest. "Get out of my room," said my father . . .
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There is a bunch of things in here to comment on.

The first sentence I feel is irrelevant. As soon as one bring race, or racist, into something, I start to question if the person is racist. I am not saying you are. There are evil and good people in every race or color of the world. I work with all people, and they are not all bad. There are poor, desperate, angry, beated down, lost people of every color and race through out the world. Yes, some have struggled more than others but that in no way make them less human (or less deserving of life). I'd give my life to protect a baby in a womb, or any innocent person no matter what race/culture they were...life is that important to me. Our jobs is to help them up (not necessarily a hand out) no matter their background, race, or age (born or unborn)

So you would ask a priest what he personally has done, but what have you personally done? (rhetorical question, not looking for answer) One shouldn't be so quick to judge others, before judging themselves. One cannot see what all another is doing (we aren't mind readers), we can only judge someone by their good and bad actions that we can see, and let God (or fate) judge the rest.

As to the suicides I feel I covered that in talking about better family and support etc. Yes, any life is better than killing a life.
 
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climbhightree said:
You keep spouting things like this, but bringing nothing to the table to debate about or answer questions asked to you. You can leave the thread anytime you want...no reason to continue your blood pressure boil.
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Debate? How do you have a debate with someone who is so cruel as to afford the victims of rape and incest one option... Do as your are fucking told.

My point is crystal clear. A majority of American's have for decades voted against the type of policies that your ilk support, yet here were are. Having the views of the minority shoved down the throats of the majority as the minority methodically strips the majority of its civil liberties. Our forefathers where rightfully worried about the tyranny of the majority, but clearly neglected to recognize the possibility of the tyranny of the minority.

Fear not little man because as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow the inevitable tides of progress and change will win in the end...
 
Have you ever considered the mathematical miracle of your existence?

How many sperm in an ejaculation and you are the one who made the swim multiplied through the eons. That your mother and father had to meet and mate when that egg was fertile and back through time.

Think of the potential life ending dangers you have survived in this, the safest of times, and then think of that going back to Adam and Eve or primates.

Each and everyone is incredibly lucky to be here against all probability.

Also I would presume we are all the product of eons of rape.

The beauty of human existence is found in its brutality.
 
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Debate? How do you have a debate with someone who is so cruel as to afford the victims of rape and incest one option... Do as your are fucking told.
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And I repeatedly said if I was OK with a rape exception, you would still not be ok with it. And that it a, slim percentage of the abortions. Yet you keep screaming about the rapes like it is main driving point of abortions.
 
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And I repeatedly said if I was OK with a rape exception, you would still not be ok with it. And that it a, slim percentage of the abortions. Yet you keep screaming about the rapes like it is main driving point of abortions.
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To be perfectly clear here, i would be 100% ok if you were ok with a rape/incest exemption.. Balls in your court little man...
 
rico said:
To be perfectly clear here, i would be 100% ok if you were ok with a rape/incest exemption.. Balls in your court little man...
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See that last sentence is completely unnecessary and uncalled for. Same as the swearing in previous posts.

I highly doubt you are personally OK with no abortion except for in the case of rape. If you are you would be alone on your side in this thread. You want me to have the same opinion as you do. I'm not screaming at or belittling you, I'm mearly stating my side/case and you can't handle it. I'm Black and white on this, a life is a life. You are playing with shades of gray (one life is better than another, one life doesn't matter, etc)
 
Ps - I would be happy if the abortion laws said only in the case of rape. Would I want more than that, yes. But just having that in place would make me extremely happy for the many lives that would be saved.
 
At what age did you all start having sexual contact that could result in pregnancy?

Was it before the laws thought you were responsible enough to drink any alcohol whatsoever?

Was it before the laws thought you were old enough to own property?

Was it before the laws thought you were old enough to go to prison?

Was it before laws thought you were old enough to operate a motor vehicle?

Was it before the laws thought you were old enough to be out after curfew?


I was a bit later than some, maybe average. I could legally drive.
 
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