What’s your favourite lanyard set up

[Joeybagodonuts]

Double post here.. sorry.. kinda reread the thread & ever up with a few more thoughts..
To those of you who have had the opportunity to use a Trango Cinch before they were disco'd... @JeffGu @chiselbit ... & others I'm missing..
Besides the ability to use smaller cordage, what is it about the device you liked/dislike? Chiselbit u mentioned way back you thought it was the best/versatile, why was that? Cuz of midline ability?

I see two holes in the device, what is the purpose of the second, racking?

Compared to a SafeGuard, do you feel they are similar in function/design & pros/cons.

Mingya.. i was just going through my bags & realizing how much "lanyard" related shit i have, however i somehow never ended up with a Cinch..

 

[Jonny]

I’m got a red Cinch, I like it fine. Kinda pays out slow with 11mm Velocity but it’s alright. Haven’t tried it with any other rope yet.
I like a Distel and micropulley or Shizel better I think.
I only own one regular Pinto and one Pinto rig and they’re both for rigging work. They seem to be a lot of overkill for a lanyard slack tender, but I appear to be the minority in that opinion lol maybe I’m a cheapskate.

 

[RBJtree]

I’m got a red Cinch, I like it fine. Kinda pays out slow with 11mm Velocity but it’s alright. Haven’t tried it with any other rope yet.
I like a Distel and micropulley or Shizel better I think.
I only own one regular Pinto and one Pinto rig and they’re both for rigging work. They seem to be a lot of overkill for a lanyard slack tender, but I appear to be the minority in that opinion lol maybe I’m a cheapskate.

I've always gone cheap on lanyards. I just wasn't using the pinto since I picked up an hc for the wrench, so I figured I'd give it a try.

 

[JeffGu]

I see two holes in the device, what is the purpose of the second, racking?

The hole toward the middle is just the axle shaft for the cam. It's tubular, to keep weight down.
The device is light, smooth and very quickly disconnects from one rope and reattaches to another. That makes it very easy to use the same device on different lanyards. Instead of having three lanyards of different lengths, each with its own device, you can just move one device to different rope lanyards. Probably not important to everyone, but it's important to me.

Compared to a SafeGuard, do you feel they are similar in function?

Yes, very similar. The Cinch feels more like a small version of other brake assisted belay devices, the Safeguard feels more like an ATC with a lever and assisted braking.

The Cinch works well enough as a lanyard adjuster on 11mm climb lines, but really shines on 10mm to 10.5mm ropes, which happen to make great long lanyards.
Despite popular mythology, you do NOT have to use the lever to make adjustments. You rotate the device to make large adjustments (best done unloaded) and use the lever for small adustments (smoother and not jerky). The device can be adjusted easily when loaded.

 

[Joeybagodonuts]

I’m got a red Cinch, I like it fine. Kinda pays out slow with 11mm Velocity but it’s alright. Haven’t tried it with any other rope yet.
I like a Distel and micropulley or Shizel better I think.
I only own one regular Pinto and one Pinto rig and they’re both for rigging work. They seem to be a lot of overkill for a lanyard slack tender, but I appear to be the minority in that opinion lol maybe I’m a cheapskate.

The hole toward the middle is just the axle shaft for the cam. It's tubular, to keep weight down.
The device is light, smooth and very quickly disconnects from one rope and reattaches to another. That makes it very easy to use the same device on different lanyards. Instead of having three lanyards of different lengths, each with its own device, you can just move one device to different rope lanyards. Probably not important to everyone, but it's important to me.



Yes, very similar. The Cinch feels more like a small version of other brake assisted belay devices, the Safeguard feels more like an ATC with a lever and assisted braking.

The Cinch works well enough as a lanyard adjuster on 11mm climb lines, but really shines on 10mm to 10.5mm ropes, which happen to make great long lanyards.
Despite popular mythology, you do NOT have to use the lever to make adjustments. You rotate the device to make large adjustments (best done unloaded) and use the lever for small adustments (smoother and not jerky). The device can be adjusted easily when loaded.

Thanks for the detailed update guys..

It sounds pretty similar to my experience with the Safeguard regarding smaller cordage...

I'm also just noticing that the Cinch "looks" as if it puts less of a bend in the rope. More of an "L' shape bend, than the "U" shape you'll get with the SafeGuard.. which to me, says it may be a bit smoother to pay out if it happens to be gummed up.

On another note, if any of you can find a manual for the Safeguard, please give me a ping.. i can't seem to find them anywhere & I'm curious as to how the device was intended to be used.. Ive called & emailed Madrock with this request, but have never heard back... which i thought was very odd.

 

[rico]

My set up for smaller trees. Rock Exotica 1.1 Omni-Block, 13 mm Safety Blue, and 24" HRC with a 4 wrap michaochan. Super smooth, and with the swivel it tends like butter from any direction. Love it.

 

[Joeybagodonuts]

My set up for smaller trees. Rock Exotica 1.1 Omni-Block, 13 mm Safety Blue, and 24" HRC with a 4 wrap michaochan. Super smooth, and with the swivel it tends like butter from any direction. Love it.

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Interesting setup.. similar tending benefits to the Rook/Hydra lanyard i have.. I can say first hand, it definitely works well from different angles. Added benefit to yours, is you can actually take it on & off vs the Rook which can't pass sewn eyes.

 

[Jonny]

Anyone ever run a Rook/ Hydra on a lanyard like this with bulk cord and stopper knots on the plate?
See any reason it’d be a bad idea?

Never noticed anyone using it in this manner before.

 

[Crimsonking]

Anyone ever run a Rook/ Hydra on a lanyard like this with bulk cord and stopper knots on the plate?
See any reason it’d be a bad idea?

Never noticed anyone using it in this manner before.
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Can you take a picture of it when loaded? I wonder if the pull of the cordage will affect the orientation of the biner connection point?

 

[Tom Lynch]

Anyone ever run a Rook/ Hydra on a lanyard like this with bulk cord and stopper knots on the plate?
See any reason it’d be a bad idea?

Never noticed anyone using it in this manner before.
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Why would you run this config over connecting to the 'beaner? I just can't imagine how it would run / handle better? Perhaps easier for disconnecting the 'beaner from the system, but I don't know why that would matter? I have a Rook I don't use for anything.... hmmm haha

 

[Burrapeg]

Anyone ever run a Rook/ Hydra on a lanyard like this with bulk cord and stopper knots on the plate?
See any reason it’d be a bad idea?

Interesting!!!! Seems like it would work fine. There is no side load on the swivel itself since the pulley end is just for tending. I have a hydra I am not using right now; I think I will try this next climb. The hydra is a big bastard but I have a chunk of that large diameter Vortex Cool with an eye in the end (free box at WesSpur) that would be a good fit with it for a trial.

 

[Tom Lynch]

Here is my newest version. I was running the hook on a dedicated hank and only taking it on the odd climb. This way I hope to use it more often. I'll be getting a New Tribe Easy Rigger Saddle Bag or something likely as it is a ton of rope to manage. Time will tell if I can remain sane with this build. Or if I go back to two systems. I'll include a Rope Wrench on the hook end as needed.

Build: ~35' of ABL Antidote 11mm
Normal lanyard end; 24" HRC eyeNeye H Knut, super old Petzl pulley, DMM Sentinel; Swivel snap Bowline Yosemite finish.
Long lanyard / hook; 26" Beeline 8mm H Knut, CMI Micky Mouse pulley,
Rock Exotica Pirate, Rock Exotica Rock O, Double Scaffold Knot, Arborixx Grapnel

The only clever part worth noting is the blue girth hitch to manage the first bight on the snap tail end. I pull the core, sew the ends, allowing the rope to tend freely either way, but not run on its own.

 

[Brocky]

The blue girth hitch loop is a great idea to make the rope behave!

 

[Tom Lynch]

The blue girth hitch loop is a great idea to make the rope behave!

It works extremely well, I have started giving them away, to people that want to run a longer lanyard but hate tending them. The best cordage so far is 8mm accessory, this old 1/2", 16 strand stuff is kinda bulky for my taste. Taking the core out is ket to getting the right amount of grip. As it hangs free the coreless rope grabs with ease, but with any sideloading it releases.

 

[Brocky]

Wonder how it would work on a bridge instead of hardware, with the right length it would slide when not loaded and stay put for position holding. It would have to be made for life support, though.

 

[Tom Lynch]

Wonder how it would work on a bridge instead of hardware, with the right length it would slide when not loaded and stay put for position holding. It would have to be made for life support, though.

That escalated quickly lol.

 

[Brocky]

Sorry, guess I’m obsessed with finding a better solution, or increasing the bend radius from that provided by the typical bridge rings!

 

[Tom Lynch]

I'm not sure I follow? Do you mean for an adjustable bridge connection? I am not thinking of how that would be beneficial. Not to say it isn't I just can't picture it.

I rather enjoy playing around and challenging normal configurations and standards. By all means, go on.

 

[Brocky]

It only would replace the ring.

 

[Joeybagodonuts]

Vortex Cool with an eye in the end

Will that 12mm+ DB Hand Splice pass through the Hydra/Rook?
I've had issues trying to get 10mm Sewn Ends to pass. I can get em to, it's just a pain.