Notch Sentinel, Advice Needed

Joeybagodonuts said:
Yes, i understand, i assumed the DMM parts were a given. Was the question about something other than the buckles? Just to be clear, when you say "buckles only", you need to include all adjusting hardware.. Cobra Buckles, 2part Frame Buckles.. basically, all metal hardware related to webbing adjustment.

Then on the petzl side if things, I'm 99% sure all of that is proprietary to them.. Can anyone confirm or deny that for me? It would be interesting to know if there was an actual source for them. At a quick glance, they do kinda remind me of other manufacturers styles, Sentinel, TreeCore, etc.
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Yeah, buckles includes all of that.
I think Petzl is all proprietary, they use them on their other harnesses too. I haven't seen something else like it really.
 
climbstihl said:
Yeah, buckles includes all of that.
I think Petzl is all proprietary, they use them on their other harnesses too. I haven't seen something else like it really.
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I gotcha...
Sooo.. do the Petzl connectors.. like the leg straps.. do they function mechanically different than the sentinel, tree-core's, etc? Or is their only similarity, having plastic? If they do mechanically function the same, I'd have to guess that they would be available somewhere through some sort of outlet/vendor..

I sometimes see hardware I've been aware of for years get integrated into tree gear & marketed as "ground breaking" or "one off/custom".. so it wouldn't suprise me if you can find these types of things outside this niche industry.

What's really been suprising to me is, i see no one using molle/pals type webbing on harnesses for storage solutions.. It's such a simple, durable, inexpensive concept that is completely modular, yet no one has done it. The T-mo offers something kinda sorta similar in terms of modularity, but unfortunately it really stands alone in this sense.
 
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Joeybagodonuts said:
I gotcha...
Sooo.. do the Petzl connectors.. like the leg straps.. do they function mechanically different than the sentinel, tree-core's, etc? Or is their only similarity, having plastic? If they do mechanically function the same, I'd have to guess that they would be available somewhere through some sort of outlet/vendor..

I sometimes see hardware I've been aware of for years get integrated into tree gear & marketed as "ground breaking" or "one off/custom".. so it wouldn't suprise me if you can find these types of things outside this niche industry.

What's really been suprising to me is, i see no one using molle/pals type webbing on harnesses for storage solutions.. It's such a simple, durable, inexpensive concept that is completely modular, yet no one has done it. The T-mo offers something kinda sorta similar in terms of modularity, but unfortunately it really stands alone in this sense.
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I'm not sure on the sentinel, the treecore looks slightly different to me, but I could be wrong.
I completely agree, I have so many MOLLE accessories that could be useful, why they don't put it on harnesses is a great question. The Courant Koala has a small spot with some loops like that, but it's diagonal.
 
climbstihl said:
I'm not sure on the sentinel, the treecore looks slightly different to me, but I could be wrong.
I completely agree, I have so many MOLLE accessories that could be useful, why they don't put it on harnesses is a great question. The Courant Koala has a small spot with some loops like that, but it's diagonal.
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Right?? You would think it would be used on 90% of saddles.. & that's just scratching the surface.. there really is so much more too.. There's molle/pals compatible material you can buy as complete rolls if I'm not mistaken.. whereas the saddle itself would basically be made out of that stuff.. Similair to the TreeMotion, where the build material itself affords the modularity/gear storage & by doing so, there's no part of the saddle that can't be configured for something.

Mark my words, the second someone does this on a platform with "big lower d's", it will become just as popular as the TM, I guarantee it.
 
Joeybagodonuts said:
Right?? You would think it would be used on 90% of saddles.. & that's just scratching the surface.. there really is so much more too.. There's molle/pals compatible material you can buy as complete rolls if I'm not mistaken.. whereas the saddle itself would basically be made out of that stuff.. Similair to the TreeMotion, where the build material itself affords the modularity/gear storage & by doing so, there's no part of the saddle that can't be configured for something.

Mark my words, the second someone does this on a platform with "big lower d's", it will become just as popular as the TM, I guarantee it.
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So how do we go about designing a saddle?
 
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Joeybagodonuts said:
Right?? You would think it would be used on 90% of saddles.. & that's just scratching the surface.. there really is so much more too.. There's molle/pals compatible material you can buy as complete rolls if I'm not mistaken.. whereas the saddle itself would basically be made out of that stuff.. Similair to the TreeMotion, where the build material itself affords the modularity/gear storage & by doing so, there's no part of the saddle that can't be configured for something.

Mark my words, the second someone does this on a platform with "big lower d's", it will become just as popular as the TM, I guarantee it.
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Molle minus I believe is the best for that. That's where the slots are in the material, not sewn on. 5.11s Hex system would be great too, because you can attach stuff in different directions.
I don't think it'd be hard to add Molle to a relatively plain saddle like the MB...
I would really like a big sheet of material with Molle on it that I can clip my gear to, and either hang it up at home for storage or roll it for transport.
 
climbstihl said:
I would really like a big sheet of material with Molle on it that I can clip my gear to, and either hang it up at home for storage or roll it for transport.
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You can buy molle panels. Amazon has them - they aren't terribly expensive... about $30 for a panel about the size of your seat back - there are some that are made to attach to your seat back as well.

Found this photo in the customer reviews:
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DumpyMcDoodleface said:
Hello Buzzards! I'm a long time listener, first time caller~

I'll save the long winded introduction and back-story for another time - this post will probably be long winded enough without it.

So briefly, I'm Dumpy, and welcome to my dumpster fire. I'm an engineer by trade, rec climber for fun, and hack-job "tree guy" when I want to scare my wife. Just kidding, put down your pitch forks - I do a little clean-up around the house, and that's about it. I'm less of a cowboy and more of a study the heck out of the subject before doing anything, then try to do everything one step at a time in as controlled an environment as possible (see engineer).

So that brings me to the matter at hand: I've purchased a Notch Sentinel harness to finally replace the rock harness I've been using. With that said, I think it probably needs to go back - but since this is my first harness, I wanted some advice: Is this operator error, and some adjustment would go a long way? Or does this harness just not fit me? Please see attached images:

I had seen several reviews where people complained that the leg loops were too big. I'd also read some reviews where people who were on the limit (size 1 ends at 36, size 2 starts at 36) had issues with it. I'm around a 36 - but this might just work for me - right? I purchased a size 1 because I wasn't sure if that size 36 corresponded to pants size or if you wear a 36 pants, this would fit on top of all that. Hint: it's closer to pants size. I also noted the reviews about the huge leg loops and was afraid that if I got a size 2, i'd be drowning in the rest (or I wouldn't be able to tighten the harness enough).

So... if you look at the photo where i'm holding the strap. That's the excess strap for the leg loop. It's hard to see, but if I had my arm bent more, my elbow would touch the strap an inch or two away from the buckle. I've only got about 2 inches left in the adjustment.... and I'm on the max end of the size scale for this harness. And my thighs are not small.

If you can see in that picture that I have about an inch of webbing pulled on the waist belt. That buckle is a b*tch. Seriously. Because you have to hold the parts away from you push them through at an angle, then it loosens when it latches - and it's a bear to tighten once it's latched. But probably not such a big deal if the strap was long enough to grab onto (again, I'm at the MAX of this size).

So I got the thing on, it's generally adjusted close to where I'd have my climbing harness... here's where I need some help.

1) Is the waist belt seem to be positioned right? I feel like it'd be more comfortable if I could get it over my pants belt and shove it a little lower around my hips, but of course there's nothing to keep it from sliding up (besides the fat bunching up above it).
2) leg loops seem about right? This is the most comfortable I could get them - but the elastic between the legs and waist belt was maxed out and pulling them into my junk every chance they got.
3) I wonder if being at the max size means the waist belt isn't wrapping around far enough to the front. So when I hang on it, instead of pulling more to the front, it's really crushing that front section of the harness into me. I don't have a huge gut, i'm pretty uniformly distributed with a nice thick layer of cold-weather protection. Anyway, that place right there where my fat is bulging into my shirt is actually my fat bunching up and getting pinched between my harness and my ribcage.
4)Is it normal for the belt to tweak like that? See there's a pretty big gap at the top of the rearmost section that doesn't even touch my body. My back is particularly flat there though while most people's curve inward - so that might be part of it.

Finally: I'm leaning towards this harness isn't a good fit. I don't think sizing up is the answer, because I'm already running out of room on the legs to tighten them, I would imagine if they were bigger they wouldn't fit. I'm also worried that I'll have the belt on the size 2 cinched completely tight and be really pushing it. Also, it's not nearly as neon green as it looks on the website pictures. it's more of a green green.

This harness was really a little more than I wanted to pay considering it's not what I do for a living - but I didn't want to go too basic or old-school either. I'd like to have at least side D's to get stuff off the center, and somewhere to put some gear. Some other saddles which I'm not on the edge of a size:

Singing Rock Timber Harness
New Tribe Onyx (close though)
TreeMotion (S-light is in my budget, but the full one I'd have to do some soul searching - and searching for loose change probably)

Thanks in advance for the input!

Cheers and Happy Climbing!
-Dumpy
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DumpyMcDoodleface said:
Hello Buzzards! I'm a long time listener, first time caller~

I'll save the long winded introduction and back-story for another time - this post will probably be long winded enough without it.

So briefly, I'm Dumpy, and welcome to my dumpster fire. I'm an engineer by trade, rec climber for fun, and hack-job "tree guy" when I want to scare my wife. Just kidding, put down your pitch forks - I do a little clean-up around the house, and that's about it. I'm less of a cowboy and more of a study the heck out of the subject before doing anything, then try to do everything one step at a time in as controlled an environment as possible (see engineer).

So that brings me to the matter at hand: I've purchased a Notch Sentinel harness to finally replace the rock harness I've been using. With that said, I think it probably needs to go back - but since this is my first harness, I wanted some advice: Is this operator error, and some adjustment would go a long way? Or does this harness just not fit me? Please see attached images:

I had seen several reviews where people complained that the leg loops were too big. I'd also read some reviews where people who were on the limit (size 1 ends at 36, size 2 starts at 36) had issues with it. I'm around a 36 - but this might just work for me - right? I purchased a size 1 because I wasn't sure if that size 36 corresponded to pants size or if you wear a 36 pants, this would fit on top of all that. Hint: it's closer to pants size. I also noted the reviews about the huge leg loops and was afraid that if I got a size 2, i'd be drowning in the rest (or I wouldn't be able to tighten the harness enough).

So... if you look at the photo where i'm holding the strap. That's the excess strap for the leg loop. It's hard to see, but if I had my arm bent more, my elbow would touch the strap an inch or two away from the buckle. I've only got about 2 inches left in the adjustment.... and I'm on the max end of the size scale for this harness. And my thighs are not small.

If you can see in that picture that I have about an inch of webbing pulled on the waist belt. That buckle is a b*tch. Seriously. Because you have to hold the parts away from you push them through at an angle, then it loosens when it latches - and it's a bear to tighten once it's latched. But probably not such a big deal if the strap was long enough to grab onto (again, I'm at the MAX of this size).

So I got the thing on, it's generally adjusted close to where I'd have my climbing harness... here's where I need some help.

1) Is the waist belt seem to be positioned right? I feel like it'd be more comfortable if I could get it over my pants belt and shove it a little lower around my hips, but of course there's nothing to keep it from sliding up (besides the fat bunching up above it).
2) leg loops seem about right? This is the most comfortable I could get them - but the elastic between the legs and waist belt was maxed out and pulling them into my junk every chance they got.
3) I wonder if being at the max size means the waist belt isn't wrapping around far enough to the front. So when I hang on it, instead of pulling more to the front, it's really crushing that front section of the harness into me. I don't have a huge gut, i'm pretty uniformly distributed with a nice thick layer of cold-weather protection. Anyway, that place right there where my fat is bulging into my shirt is actually my fat bunching up and getting pinched between my harness and my ribcage.
4)Is it normal for the belt to tweak like that? See there's a pretty big gap at the top of the rearmost section that doesn't even touch my body. My back is particularly flat there though while most people's curve inward - so that might be part of it.

Finally: I'm leaning towards this harness isn't a good fit. I don't think sizing up is the answer, because I'm already running out of room on the legs to tighten them, I would imagine if they were bigger they wouldn't fit. I'm also worried that I'll have the belt on the size 2 cinched completely tight and be really pushing it. Also, it's not nearly as neon green as it looks on the website pictures. it's more of a green green.

This harness was really a little more than I wanted to pay considering it's not what I do for a living - but I didn't want to go too basic or old-school either. I'd like to have at least side D's to get stuff off the center, and somewhere to put some gear. Some other saddles which I'm not on the edge of a size:

Singing Rock Timber Harness
New Tribe Onyx (close though)
TreeMotion (S-light is in my budget, but the full one I'd have to do some soul searching - and searching for loose change probably)

Thanks in advance for the input!

Cheers and Happy Climbing!
-Dumpy
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The tree motion is one of the best I think
 
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