Intentional Barber Chair
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Reach
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And what’s worse is all the people applauding this hazardous foolishness will go out back and try it themselves, and who knows what or who they will drop the tree on! The YouTube comments about how this is such “advanced level” felling are just scary.
Daniel's experiment was a failure as the tree did not barber-chair. Sure didn't stop the folks at youtube from singing praises. As I have said a 100 times, Daniel is dangerous and his vids WILL get people hurt, if they already haven't.
evo
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Looks like he was trying to limit and control the barber chair.
YouTube warrior!
YouTube warrior!
Chaplain242
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Airfares not included?
deevo
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Yep I agree stupidest crap I’ve ever seen and he’s getting worse. A simple notch would of achieved the same goal. I don’t know what it’s coming to Rico! Lol brutal really
Serf Life
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Sweet blue jean chaps bud, maybe add that to the disclaimer too.
VenasNursery
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Or a Butt check?
Sure I will pay airfare. Daniels saws might just be dull enough that you could get them past TSA security, and store them in the overhead for the ride home
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southsoundtree
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A tongue and groove cut (has a hinge) will keep it off the underplantings, and give control.
Err on the side of thicker side walls forming the groove. They will blow off easier, particularly if dead. The tongue is tougher.
Err on the side of thicker side walls forming the groove. They will blow off easier, particularly if dead. The tongue is tougher.
eyehearttrees
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"Through *failure* I didn't get it to barberchair" - I think that's a bit harsh man, the thing had internal sap-&heart-wood flaws, I'd call that "getting dealt a bad hand" not "playing your hand wrong" (which is what 'failure' implies!)
Thanks a ton for making this video, just found this sub-forum but had actually seen your video a couple times before during my "intensive at-home youtube-based training" (ROFL) and love the video, thank you very much for sharing
(BTW, regarding "that was dangerous for you to do" comments, I'm too naive here to make any real assessment of relative dangers *BUT* - this'll be good, I'm sure eyes are rolling hard right now - BUT you are clearly working in a safe area, you clearly know your way around what you're doing, and you're doing this in an intentional manner....I'm having tons of trouble figuring how this could be considered 'dangerous' in any real sense...Did **you** feel, then or in hindsight, that doing this was dangerous? Am guessing not, and that in and of itself - when it's your life - should be a pretty big point towards "it wasn't 'dangerous' it was a controlled situation")
Again thank you for making & sharing the vid, am actually going to try and find other intentional-barberchair videos (or regular ones) as, upon re-watching this video, I'd forgotten about one of the culprits for increasing the chances of a barberchair so going to try and find some more
[PS- when you had to notch the 2nd tree after that bobcat couldn't knock it off its stump, am I right in assuming **that** was (by leaps&bounds!) the dangerous part? With the tree under such tension as it was there, could only imagine a situation wherein you start making that notch and, 2-3sec into the cut, you've broken-through 'critical hold' and the thing wildly barbers/twists directly into you....I know the bobcat was 'holding it in-place' but, with the unpredictable nature of those irregular fibers at that area of the trunking, I've gotta say I'd have loved to have seen you make the cut & especially to hear any noises/creaking it may've made, would've been watching through cracks in my fingers as I held my hands over my eyes as you approached that stuck-barberchair to free it up - I'd obviously not attempt that but, were I forced to, I'd be looking for the longest pole-saw in existence so I could stick it through the open windows of a truck[to shield myself!] and notch it that way, kickback & barberchairs are the scariest things ever!!]
[[edited-to-add: Thanks everyone for such great replies in this thread, this site is amazing there are so many experts sharing knowledge - I've always been a learn-online / forum type but have never seen an online community like the arboriculture industry, usually all banter is recitation of known things whereas arboriculture is actually changing & improving rapidly, was blown away recently when I learned how new SRT was to arborism!!]]
Thanks a ton for making this video, just found this sub-forum but had actually seen your video a couple times before during my "intensive at-home youtube-based training" (ROFL) and love the video, thank you very much for sharing
(BTW, regarding "that was dangerous for you to do" comments, I'm too naive here to make any real assessment of relative dangers *BUT* - this'll be good, I'm sure eyes are rolling hard right now - BUT you are clearly working in a safe area, you clearly know your way around what you're doing, and you're doing this in an intentional manner....I'm having tons of trouble figuring how this could be considered 'dangerous' in any real sense...Did **you** feel, then or in hindsight, that doing this was dangerous? Am guessing not, and that in and of itself - when it's your life - should be a pretty big point towards "it wasn't 'dangerous' it was a controlled situation")
Again thank you for making & sharing the vid, am actually going to try and find other intentional-barberchair videos (or regular ones) as, upon re-watching this video, I'd forgotten about one of the culprits for increasing the chances of a barberchair so going to try and find some more
[PS- when you had to notch the 2nd tree after that bobcat couldn't knock it off its stump, am I right in assuming **that** was (by leaps&bounds!) the dangerous part? With the tree under such tension as it was there, could only imagine a situation wherein you start making that notch and, 2-3sec into the cut, you've broken-through 'critical hold' and the thing wildly barbers/twists directly into you....I know the bobcat was 'holding it in-place' but, with the unpredictable nature of those irregular fibers at that area of the trunking, I've gotta say I'd have loved to have seen you make the cut & especially to hear any noises/creaking it may've made, would've been watching through cracks in my fingers as I held my hands over my eyes as you approached that stuck-barberchair to free it up - I'd obviously not attempt that but, were I forced to, I'd be looking for the longest pole-saw in existence so I could stick it through the open windows of a truck[to shield myself!] and notch it that way, kickback & barberchairs are the scariest things ever!!]
[[edited-to-add: Thanks everyone for such great replies in this thread, this site is amazing there are so many experts sharing knowledge - I've always been a learn-online / forum type but have never seen an online community like the arboriculture industry, usually all banter is recitation of known things whereas arboriculture is actually changing & improving rapidly, was blown away recently when I learned how new SRT was to arborism!!]]
No offense eyehearttrees, but you are the exact type of individual that really shouldn't be getting his tree training from a Daniel Murphy Video. I think I am safe in saying that there are much better options out there."Through *failure* I didn't get it to barberchair" - I think that's a bit harsh man, the thing had internal sap-&heart-wood flaws, I'd call that "getting dealt a bad hand" not "playing your hand wrong" (which is what 'failure' implies!)
Thanks a ton for making this video, just found this sub-forum but had actually seen your video a couple times before during my "intensive at-home youtube-based training" (ROFL) and love the video, thank you very much for sharing
(BTW, regarding "that was dangerous for you to do" comments, I'm too naive here to make any real assessment of relative dangers *BUT* - this'll be good, I'm sure eyes are rolling hard right now - BUT you are clearly working in a safe area, you clearly know your way around what you're doing, and you're doing this in an intentional manner....I'm having tons of trouble figuring how this could be considered 'dangerous' in any real sense...Did **you** feel, then or in hindsight, that doing this was dangerous? Am guessing not, and that in and of itself - when it's your life - should be a pretty big point towards "it wasn't 'dangerous' it was a controlled situation")
Again thank you for making & sharing the vid, am actually going to try and find other intentional-barberchair videos (or regular ones) as, upon re-watching this video, I'd forgotten about one of the culprits for increasing the chances of a barberchair so going to try and find some more
[PS- when you had to notch the 2nd tree after that bobcat couldn't knock it off its stump, am I right in assuming **that** was (by leaps&bounds!) the dangerous part? With the tree under such tension as it was there, could only imagine a situation wherein you start making that notch and, 2-3sec into the cut, you've broken-through 'critical hold' and the thing wildly barbers/twists directly into you....I know the bobcat was 'holding it in-place' but, with the unpredictable nature of those irregular fibers at that area of the trunking, I've gotta say I'd have loved to have seen you make the cut & especially to hear any noises/creaking it may've made, would've been watching through cracks in my fingers as I held my hands over my eyes as you approached that stuck-barberchair to free it up - I'd obviously not attempt that but, were I forced to, I'd be looking for the longest pole-saw in existence so I could stick it through the open windows of a truck[to shield myself!] and notch it that way, kickback & barberchairs are the scariest things ever!!]
[[edited-to-add: Thanks everyone for such great replies in this thread, this site is amazing there are so many experts sharing knowledge - I've always been a learn-online / forum type but have never seen an online community like the arboriculture industry, usually all banter is recitation of known things whereas arboriculture is actually changing & improving rapidly, was blown away recently when I learned how new SRT was to arborism!!]]
more ground jockey BS.
evo
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- My Island, WA
What Murphy did in this video is sorta just fine.. If an experienced tree guy wants to experiment or show a green horn what a barber chair is, no harm no foul."Through *failure* I didn't get it to barberchair" - I think that's a bit harsh man, the thing had internal sap-&heart-wood flaws, I'd call that "getting dealt a bad hand" not "playing your hand wrong" (which is what 'failure' implies!)
Thanks a ton for making this video, just found this sub-forum but had actually seen your video a couple times before during my "intensive at-home youtube-based training" (ROFL) and love the video, thank you very much for sharing
(BTW, regarding "that was dangerous for you to do" comments, I'm too naive here to make any real assessment of relative dangers *BUT* - this'll be good, I'm sure eyes are rolling hard right now - BUT you are clearly working in a safe area, you clearly know your way around what you're doing, and you're doing this in an intentional manner....I'm having tons of trouble figuring how this could be considered 'dangerous' in any real sense...Did **you** feel, then or in hindsight, that doing this was dangerous? Am guessing not, and that in and of itself - when it's your life - should be a pretty big point towards "it wasn't 'dangerous' it was a controlled situation")
Again thank you for making & sharing the vid, am actually going to try and find other intentional-barberchair videos (or regular ones) as, upon re-watching this video, I'd forgotten about one of the culprits for increasing the chances of a barberchair so going to try and find some more
[PS- when you had to notch the 2nd tree after that bobcat couldn't knock it off its stump, am I right in assuming **that** was (by leaps&bounds!) the dangerous part? With the tree under such tension as it was there, could only imagine a situation wherein you start making that notch and, 2-3sec into the cut, you've broken-through 'critical hold' and the thing wildly barbers/twists directly into you....I know the bobcat was 'holding it in-place' but, with the unpredictable nature of those irregular fibers at that area of the trunking, I've gotta say I'd have loved to have seen you make the cut & especially to hear any noises/creaking it may've made, would've been watching through cracks in my fingers as I held my hands over my eyes as you approached that stuck-barberchair to free it up - I'd obviously not attempt that but, were I forced to, I'd be looking for the longest pole-saw in existence so I could stick it through the open windows of a truck[to shield myself!] and notch it that way, kickback & barberchairs are the scariest things ever!!]
[[edited-to-add: Thanks everyone for such great replies in this thread, this site is amazing there are so many experts sharing knowledge - I've always been a learn-online / forum type but have never seen an online community like the arboriculture industry, usually all banter is recitation of known things whereas arboriculture is actually changing & improving rapidly, was blown away recently when I learned how new SRT was to arborism!!]]
BUT!! That's not what this video is, and posting this crap on the youboob is leaving the doors wide open to some yahoo to give this a shot. There are some solid techniques out there which have been developed over the past century to make getting a tree down in a very predictable manner. All this is to avoid the unpredictability of sudden shifting weight causing injury, death, broken logs, or property damage. Intentionally creating a barber chair is simply guess work at it's best.
southsoundtree
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- Olympia, WA
"Through *failure* I didn't get it to barberchair" - I think that's a bit harsh man, the thing had internal sap-&heart-wood flaws, I'd call that "getting dealt a bad hand" not "playing your hand wrong" (which is what 'failure' implies!)
Thanks a ton for making this video, just found this sub-forum but had actually seen your video a couple times before during my "intensive at-home youtube-based training" (ROFL) and love the video, thank you very much for sharing
(BTW, regarding "that was dangerous for you to do" comments, I'm too naive here to make any real assessment of relative dangers *BUT* - this'll be good, I'm sure eyes are rolling hard right now - BUT you are clearly working in a safe area, you clearly know your way around what you're doing, and you're doing this in an intentional manner....I'm having tons of trouble figuring how this could be considered 'dangerous' in any real sense...Did **you** feel, then or in hindsight, that doing this was dangerous? Am guessing not, and that in and of itself - when it's your life - should be a pretty big point towards "it wasn't 'dangerous' it was a controlled situation")
Again thank you for making & sharing the vid, am actually going to try and find other intentional-barberchair videos (or regular ones) as, upon re-watching this video, I'd forgotten about one of the culprits for increasing the chances of a barberchair so going to try and find some more
[PS- when you had to notch the 2nd tree after that bobcat couldn't knock it off its stump, am I right in assuming **that** was (by leaps&bounds!) the dangerous part? With the tree under such tension as it was there, could only imagine a situation wherein you start making that notch and, 2-3sec into the cut, you've broken-through 'critical hold' and the thing wildly barbers/twists directly into you....I know the bobcat was 'holding it in-place' but, with the unpredictable nature of those irregular fibers at that area of the trunking, I've gotta say I'd have loved to have seen you make the cut & especially to hear any noises/creaking it may've made, would've been watching through cracks in my fingers as I held my hands over my eyes as you approached that stuck-barberchair to free it up - I'd obviously not attempt that but, were I forced to, I'd be looking for the longest pole-saw in existence so I could stick it through the open windows of a truck[to shield myself!] and notch it that way, kickback & barberchairs are the scariest things ever!!]
[[edited-to-add: Thanks everyone for such great replies in this thread, this site is amazing there are so many experts sharing knowledge - I've always been a learn-online / forum type but have never seen an online community like the arboriculture industry, usually all banter is recitation of known things whereas arboriculture is actually changing & improving rapidly, was blown away recently when I learned how new SRT was to arborism!!]]
Don't take advice from someone who makes ridiculous videos, not knowing how to wedge over a tree, but trying to do it to a heavy, heavy back-leaner that can't possibly be lifted enough with wedges,
or cut a clean notch,
or sharpen a saw,
is scared to death by sidelean and blows it way out of proportion,
and is blown away by the power of full-sized skid steer thinking it makes him special...it's like pulling with a truck, so what!
As insight, @rico has been beating over redwoods since a teen, and owns a full-sized skidder, and isn't a suburban self-declared expert. Blowing a top can be 100'.
My guess is that he's stood on a springboard a time or two with big ass saw, and made clean cuts. Same as cutting on the ground.
My neighbor's skidder has a 60,000 pound winch. You want to see some 'you come here' power. Holy shit!
You want to learn something, listen to people who aren't narcissistic AF, dying for people to listen to them and stoke their ... ego.
You can learn an immense amount from people, online. Just have to figure out which is the "Yes, do this" and which is the "NFW!". Most people here don't erroneously think they are the best thing since sliced bread.
Welcome.
If your still listening eyehearttrees, this fresh vid is a perfect example of why Daniel Murphy vids are a less than stellar place to get your online training.
Daniel clearly missed his lay and center punched a locust stump. You never want to intentionally hit stumps with trees/spars as it creates a variable that you have zero control over. Dangerous is an understatement. I have seen men hit stumps, break wood, and send chunks the size of a 2 ton truck 60-80 ft in the air.
In typical Murphman fashion he tries to tell us after the fact that he meant to hit the stump? Kinda like when he meant to hit the fence, or he had permission to hit the swing-set. More dishonest, dangerous hackery!!!!
Daniel clearly missed his lay and center punched a locust stump. You never want to intentionally hit stumps with trees/spars as it creates a variable that you have zero control over. Dangerous is an understatement. I have seen men hit stumps, break wood, and send chunks the size of a 2 ton truck 60-80 ft in the air.
In typical Murphman fashion he tries to tell us after the fact that he meant to hit the stump? Kinda like when he meant to hit the fence, or he had permission to hit the swing-set. More dishonest, dangerous hackery!!!!
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Let me get this straight, he intentionally tried to have the log bounce into the street?
The running shoes just tops it off.
