falling challenge big tulip through deck

rico said:
Either you are trolling, playing with us, or you really are that clueless! No matter the case, please fucking stop! I beg of you. My liver just can't take anymore.

I would instruct everyone to pause the frame at 1:58. Without a doubt one of the worst undercuts I have ever seen a so-called expert make. World class hackery on full display. I have sent folks packing for making better looking cuts than that. Nuff said.

You once again use the word "Throw" to describe you ripping a top out with a pull line. Throw would imply that the top is being pushed from behind. Certainly not whats happening here.

Your intent was to "throw" this top over the Maple, no? We can clearly see that your top did nothing more than plow right through the maple, removing a punch of brush along the way. Notice all the green brush laying next to the stone dead top. Where the fuck did that come from? Freeze frame at 2:58. I will let the viewers decide whether the top went over, or through the Maple?

If I had the capability of being rendered speechless, thats where I would be right about now.
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Was bored so I figured I watch this crap. No thing special, just crashed a piece of tree through another tree and said in the next response " wouldn't you remove more branches if you were pruning" Big difference between pruning and tearing a bunch of random branches out of a tree in my world. Top definitely didn't get" thrown " over the maple. Frame 2:39 butt is off and falling near the stem maybe 1-2ft, that aint flying. Cant tell me otherwise. All these videos of his and the majority of the other crap I waste my time watching are of mundane, everyday tree work that I wouldn't remember doing 2 days later. The tree in this thread being one of them. A lot of yapping and some cutting that looks to me that the person just didn't have the skill/ability to get up higher to make the cut or cuts in a more sensible spot. This isn't thinking out of the box or pushing the limits. Remember that this is bucket and ground work crap, this is "used to climb "talk trying to remain relevant.
 
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Sooooo... About that tulip. Have you booked the job? I'm excited to see how it goes and how you choose to do it. Let us know, I'm sure lots of people are curious now. I'm rooting for the big cut from a ladder for entertainment sakes. To be honest I'm hoping for catastrophic damage to the deck with no one receiving any bodily harm. Or even better, you pop that top over the deck and shut this whole peacock feather of a conversation down.
Video please!!! Let us know when it's booked!
 
Install a climb line, ladder up to a spring board. This is the perfect tree.

Almost like Jerry's, but this tree is smaller than his top.

Springboard "shoes" are easy to fabricate. I'll post a pic if needed. My SB is in the truck.

Will make the whizzy easier.


I guess a guy could bolt on framing for a perch in no time, too. $25 in material.
 
I'd love to see it jump off the deck, but....I have to go with everyone else and say that is not the best decision for this tree. You know the right way this should be done. If you have to make compromises due to physical ability, laziness, stress for time, etc, something can go wrong. You know something can go wrong and in your head are weighing the odds. It's a bad situation. Lots of good options were presented earlier.
 
evo said:
Your my kind of crazy, much rather rampage with you than most others. Looking at the angle of the boom he was probably nosed off the edge of the driveway to reach around the side of the house, but I wasn’t there.. I’d imagine that unless you can get the truck right under the tree you can’t accurately estimate the height by the boom. Well not without some trig, but that shit is over my head.
All I see is some boring sub par corners being cut to cover up inadequate size issues. If Daniel wanted to climb he could, I know 40+ year industry vets in their late 60’s to early 70 that still climb. Granted they get pretty whiny when it’s sprinkling or frozen or snowy. He could get foot plates, learn srt. Looks like cake if he tossed a climbing line into that crotch, took a few steps up and blasted the tops above the crotch.
I get cutting corners where one can, but that is the only lesson I’ve learned from these videos. Not sure that’s quite the take home point. Most of it seems like bragging, and smoking related anal issues
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I am 52 and climb 4 to 5 days a week. I say just don't get fat.
 
rico said:
I have been doing everything I can for the last few years to get fat. Laying around eating tubs of ice cream, sticks of butter, and plenty of pork fat. Nothing. Nada. Not a fucking ounce. The more I eat the more I poop. Go figure?
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Same with me. That's why I do have a little sympathy for the "portly" folks. They eat the same as me, but I poop a lot more. A LOT.:oops: The back of the chip truck basically always smells like a Porta-Potty. Which it technically is.

For the sake of not derailing, I just want Daniel to use a good sturdy tripod and a 4K camera with image stabilization when this goes down. Whatever the outcome there will be lessons to learn.
 
Daniel was "standoffish" with the customer and probably lost the job. It would have been done already and he could have made a couple grand cleaning up my mess if he just took my offer :ROFLMAO: :hueco:
 
owScott said:
Was bored so I figured I watch this crap. No thing special, just crashed a piece of tree through another tree and said in the next response " wouldn't you remove more branches if you were pruning" Big difference between pruning and tearing a bunch of random branches out of a tree in my world. Top definitely didn't get" thrown " over the maple. Frame 2:39 butt is off and falling near the stem maybe 1-2ft, that aint flying. Cant tell me otherwise. All these videos of his and the majority of the other crap I waste my time watching are of mundane, everyday tree work that I wouldn't remember doing 2 days later. The tree in this thread being one of them. A lot of yapping and some cutting that looks to me that the person just didn't have the skill/ability to get up higher to make the cut or cuts in a more sensible spot. This isn't thinking out of the box or pushing the limits. Remember that this is bucket and ground work crap, this is "used to climb "talk trying to remain relevant.
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This sums things up nicely. Fuck yo bucket.
 
I figured there was a video out there somewhere showing the ptoing of a tall spring pole tree and I chanced across a Reg video called Fir Wobble.
The main pole got shoved back by the top till the top hit about 90 degrees and then moved away. The hinge fiber probably broke much earlier and the contact was maintained by gravity pressure. Steady video camera views like this from the correct vantage point are few and far between.

ps Is there a way to turn off spelling autocorrection? It's too smart for its own good.
 
Looks similar to my last job.... 150' spruce x3 in the deck. Second story.... On beach cliff. No crane access.... Over the house we go.




Daniel said:
I looked at this big tulip poplar last week... Growing through the deck... another company wanted 7 K to remove that and the oak behind it (leaning towards the house). Tulip leans a little to the house too, and looks like it was topped a long time ago... probably 110-120' tall (I should get a rangefinder)...

Other company was going to get a crane involved.. driveway is steep and they'll need to cut another $1,000 tree just to make the corner and have access ... My idea is to drop the big ulip in the woods... only opening in the canopy is not quite 45 degrees... off the deck, so in order to throw it past the deck it's going to need to travel a lot of feet forward off the stump which I could cut 10-25 above the deck... To make matters even more challenging, they are working on the septic system below the deck and I would need to build a bridge to make sure the tulip but doesn't land on top of the tank...

I was thinking of trying to spin the trunk counter clockwise as to falls hoping that spin off to the side away from the deck and some forward movement is enough to clear the deck.... I've also got another idea for how to get the butt to move sideways during the fall.. wondering what you would suggest...

I haven't even put a bid in and was stand-offish with the client. The job is a little far from my usual area and a steep driveway over 400' to the house... I'd really like to put a bid in to just drop everything in the woods and walk.. that last one spoiled me.. CLient is dumping a ton of $ into the house and he would like to save some $ on the trees..

That's going to be a lot of mass to get moving forward (and sideways) enough to clear the deck.. I'll have to stand on a ladder to make the cut as my feet can't handle the hooks anymore, which complicates things a good deal, especially for cutting a whizzy (which I don't really understand how to do yet) or some sort of angled notch (side step or ramp in the humboldt ).. I'll have to experiment with the cut on another tree or two before going for this ne... this one could be fun!!!View attachment 57824
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Daniel said:
I looked at this big tulip poplar last week... Growing through the deck... another company wanted 7 K to remove that and the oak behind it (leaning towards the house). Tulip leans a little to the house too, and looks like it was topped a long time ago... probably 110-120' tall (I should get a rangefinder)...

Other company was going to get a crane involved.. driveway is steep and they'll need to cut another $1,000 tree just to make the corner and have access ... My idea is to drop the big ulip in the woods... only opening in the canopy is not quite 45 degrees... off the deck, so in order to throw it past the deck it's going to need to travel a lot of feet forward off the stump which I could cut 10-25 above the deck... To make matters even more challenging, they are working on the septic system below the deck and I would need to build a bridge to make sure the tulip but doesn't land on top of the tank...

I was thinking of trying to spin the trunk counter clockwise as to falls hoping that spin off to the side away from the deck and some forward movement is enough to clear the deck.... I've also got another idea for how to get the butt to move sideways during the fall.. wondering what you would suggest...

I haven't even put a bid in and was stand-offish with the client. The job is a little far from my usual area and a steep driveway over 400' to the house... I'd really like to put a bid in to just drop everything in the woods and walk.. that last one spoiled me.. CLient is dumping a ton of $ into the house and he would like to save some $ on the trees..

That's going to be a lot of mass to get moving forward (and sideways) enough to clear the deck.. I'll have to stand on a ladder to make the cut as my feet can't handle the hooks anymore, which complicates things a good deal, especially for cutting a whizzy (which I don't really understand how to do yet) or some sort of angled notch (side step or ramp in the humboldt ).. I'll have to experiment with the cut on another tree or two before going for this ne... this one could be fun!!!View attachment 57824
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negative on the ladder idea good buddy! zipline the branches and rig the log.. It's the only way to fly on this one.
 
rico said:
The fact that you have been falling timber your whole fucking life and have never heard of the whizzer tells you all you need to know about the cut Chiselbit.

The whizzer/whizzy is a super trick, inter-web boutique cut, which like a soft dutchman is supposed to create a lot of swing on side leaners and the like. What it won't do it create any forward momentum allowing this tree to clear the deck and rail. It is also known to create some serious stump pull from time to time, which could be catastrophic to this deck. Wrong cut for this scenario.

There is a thread over at Treehouse about the Whizzer/german cut. The most important post in the entire thread is the post by My Beranek stating that he will kindly stick the the basics. Nuff said......
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the only way to get a jump cut is to use a fairly tight conventional so tension builds up. It will pop! It is a bookoo risky cut cuz it can hang and break instead! I'm not sure I would favour it over a zipline/ rig out?
 
Daniel said:
If Rico tells me it can't be done, I might just have to give it a go...
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Oh it can be done! However, it might need to be done in a few takes! As I said the cut to be used is a fairly tight conventional which will need to be loaded up via rope from down the hill. The down side is the energy goes both ways, so strap in fairly well for it! Remember the tree pushes back then forewords but when you pre load it is more agressive! Nowhere near as safe as doing it the correct way!
 
Stephen Moore said:
the only way to get a jump cut is to use a fairly tight conventional so tension builds up. It will pop! It is a bookoo risky cut cuz it can hang and break instead! I'm not sure I would favour it over a zipline/ rig out?
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Conventional? I've always been taught a jump cut is a tighter face Humboldt, and I've only ever used that if I need a jump cut. Instead of making the face 1/2 the length of the depth of the cut, you make the face smaller, making the piece fire off. The main danger with that is the force of it jumping off has to go somewhere, so it gets put back onto the stem and base. Go too big and you snap the tree you're in if it cant handle it.

Just curious because I've never heard of a conventional used to jump.
 
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