falling challenge big tulip through deck

[evo]

I don’t want to see anyone hurt. A good humbling goes a long way thought

 

[RBJtree]

I don't want Daniel to get anyone hurt, including himself, or damage property. I think he should hire a climber to do the job or let another company take the job who can do it safely.

 

[Jem4417]

I think he’s just trying to have some fun theorizing a big cut over a traditional piece by piece. If you watch his videos that’s his style and it seems to work for him. These threads wouldn’t be any fun if he posted a picture and said hey look at the tree I’m gonna pay a contractor to rope out in 28 separate pieces.

 

[Scheffa]

Never worked with a tulip tree before, but there are some species of eucalyptus here that you can get to jump quite a way off the stump making what Daniel shows in the photo a remote possibility.
Would I try it in that scenario, not a chance, to jump a shitty old wire farm fence, probably.

 

[rico]

I think he’s just trying to have some fun theorizing a big cut over a traditional piece by piece. If you watch his videos that’s his style and it seems to work for him. These threads wouldn’t be any fun if he posted a picture and said hey look at the tree I’m gonna pay a contractor to rope out in 28 separate pieces.

Just theorizing here , but I got this tree growing through a deck with a mild back-lean over a house, and a septic tank in my intended lay. I was gonna use a Whizzer, which I admittedly have no idea how to cut. I also have no idea what the intent this cut is, but the name sure sounds cool! Don't it?

I really want to get this tree to spin, but have no idea how to make that happen. I think I have seen a few tops spin in the past, but I have no idea why they did so.

Come to think of it, maybe I will use some sort of modified Humboldt. Never mind the fact that I need to get this tree to jump 5 ft from the stump, and the Humboldt causes the butt to slide in a downward motion, and is generally used when you want a tree to sit down. I know it seems counter intuitive, but I assure you I really am that good. A legend some would say.

Oh someone mentioned speed-lining it. Fuck yea, thats what I'll do!

I should also mention that I can't climb, so I am gonna do all this from a ladder. Don't worry though, because i just bought a new top of the line Big Tex ladder at HomeDepot. It was on sale!

What do you guys think. Does this sound like a good game plan. I clearly don't give a fuck what any of you think, but thought it might be FUN to talk about how awesome I am!

 

[Daniel]

I was back on the property yesterday again to plow some snow because he had to get a dumpster removed from the top of the driveway

After considering all the feedback on this thread and looking at the trees...
Probably the simplest thing to do would be put a climber up their however any time you climb a tree there is some risk, especially in this tree, I did get some pictures hopefully showing some of the decay in the center of that top

So often times the one cut is actually safer then the climb and rig or bring the Crane in or even just wrecking a tree

 

[Daniel]

Just theorizing here , but I got this tree growing through a deck with a mild back-lean over a house, and a septic tank in my intended lay. I was gonna use a Whizzer, which I admittedly have no idea how to cut. I also have no idea what the intent this cut is, but the name sure sounds cool! Don't it?

I really want to get this tree to spin, but have no idea how to make that happen. I think I have seen a few tops spin in the past, but I have no idea why they did so.

Come to think of it, maybe I will use some sort of modified Humboldt. Never mind the fact that I need to get this tree to jump 5 ft from the stump, and the Humboldt causes the butt to slide in a downward motion, and is generally used when you want a tree to sit down. I know it seems counter intuitive, but I assure you I really am that good. A legend some would say.

Oh someone mentioned speed-lining it. Fuck yea, thats what I'll do!

I should also mention that I can't climb, so I am gonna do all this from a ladder. Don't worry though, because i just bought a new top of the line Big Tex ladder at HomeDepot. It was on sale!

What do you guys think. Does this sound like a good game plan. I clearly don't give a fuck what any of you think, but thought it might be FUN to talk about how awesome I am!

That about sums it up



So can we call this outside the Box thinking?

 

[Barc Buster]

Round my parts a spider lift can be rented for 1500/day. Pretty safe option given the circumstances.

 

[Daniel]

That's a great idea.... I'll check into it..

The top is set up pretty well for speed lining the brush out to the driveway

$1500 can buy a lot of cheeseburgers though

 

[rico]

That about sums it up



So can we call this outside the Box thinking?

A play on your own words buddy, and most definitely sums up the utter nonsense you have been spewing here.

Your "outside the box" mantra seems to be nothing more than an attempt to mask/coverup some seriously glaring inadequacies in your tree game.

How bout you get some pics of how far this tree REALLY is from the decks edge. The tape measure talks, the bullshit walks.

Some pics of the nearby trees & terrain would be very helpful..

 

[Daniel]

I was getting ready to do all that when the battery on my phone died.. Note 9 is only 9 months old .. Swear they design those things for planned obsolescence....

 

[craneguy1]

Pretty certain my high school physics professor could figure out how high on the ladder you would need to be to clear the deck if you could give him an accurate weight.

 

[Daniel]

I wonder how much weight has to do with it.. Falling velocity isn't changed by weight... and if you study the movement (speed) of a tree during a fall I would think that weight doesn't change that either.. pretty sure height does.
If you look at the trees in this vid

you'll see the tall ones generally take a couple extra seconds, though that can be thrown off by a slow start to the initial movement... which gets us back on topic.. how to throw such a massive top as far as possible
... throwing tops is accomplished by maximising the forward movement of the tree at separation.... IN order to do that you need to get the face closed and the hinge broken while the tree is still fairly vertical, before the movement is more down than forward... so you don't have a lot of time before the face closes, which means you don;t have a lot of speed... getting a strong and fast pull makes a difference here... but there may be another way... even more outside the box

 

[Scheffa]

How far is the stem actually from the rail?? You said a few feet but the photos it appears a couple inches??
The top is weighted away from the house, any half competent climber could spur up, blow the top out down the hill, block the barrel down thrown them over the rail and be done in a couple hours tops.

I understand the thinking outside the box, I live outside of the box, however you need to know when thinking that way actually makes things far more complicated.

 

[rico]

How far is the stem actually from the rail?? You said a few feet but the photos it appears a couple inches??
The top is weighted away from the house, any half competent climber could spur up, blow the top out down the hill, block the barrel down thrown them over the rail and be done in a couple hours tops.

I understand the thinking outside the box, I live outside of the box, however you need to know when thinking that way actually makes things far more complicated.

I interpreted the pic as you did, and why I asked for a pic with an actual measurement. It sure doesn’t look he needs 5-6ft of forward push to clear the deck and rail. Picture and storyline don’t match. What a shock.

 

[rico]

I wonder how much weight has to do with it.. Falling velocity isn't changed by weight... and if you study the movement (speed) of a tree during a fall I would think that weight doesn't change that either.. pretty sure height does.
If you look at the trees in this vid

you'll see the tall ones generally take a couple extra seconds, though that can be thrown off by a slow start to the initial movement... which gets us back on topic.. how to throw such a massive top as far as possible
... throwing tops is accomplished by maximising the forward movement of the tree at separation.... IN order to do that you need to get the face closed and the hinge broken while the tree is still fairly vertical, before the movement is more down than forward... so you don't have a lot of time before the face closes, which means you don;t have a lot of speed... getting a strong and fast pull makes a difference here... but there may be another way... even more outside the box

The reason you get more forward push when you top a tree higher is because there’s is generally more flex up higher, thus creating more pushback as the top begins to go over.
It is the recoil from this pushback that causes the big forward push. It happens in slow motion and the foward push is very real, but you must leave your hinge intact and allow it to do its job.

 

[Daniel]

Maybe on those huge monster trees that push back has some effect but in general the reason you get more distance when you cut a tree higher is because the tree is in flight longer thus allowing the forward That Call comes from an object in motion staying in motion

 

[samsquatch]

That's ridiculous

The amount of push and speed from push back is not going to throw a tree out as far as they go no chance in the world...

I've study loud slow motion video of these trees

An object in motion is going to stay in motion

It's the forward movement of the peace at separation that carries it forward

The reason you Get more distance when you take a tree higher is because it's moving forward for a longer time as it falls

False. Go study physics before you make claims that other people might take seriously.

I haven't studied physics beyond college, but I would like to share my experience: the larger the tree's diameter at the cut point, the longer the top face cut is sliding on the bottom face cut - after the hinge separates - and the more forward momentum it gets. As a function of weight (actually as a function of this sliding friction between the face cuts and how much it can counteract the gravitational weight of the top). If you allow more friction between the faces, you get more wood-on-wood engagement while the top is still tipping. This will allow the angle of the face cut to slide against the lip of the spar for a longer time, and pushing it out away from the spar. This sliding is how you get the forward momentum, and maximizing sliding equals more forward movement.

If you want forward momentum you need:

• a large diameter-to-weight ratio (ratio of diameter at cut to top weight) to allow the friction and subsequent sliding to engage as much as possible.
• a hinge that separates and allows the faces to slide for a time

Another idea, since this is only in theory and we know you won't or shouldn't do this.
Get up as high as you could on your amateur-ass ladder, set a come-along line or winch line to pull the spar as much as possible over the railing, you should be able to take up a few feet in the top. Cut would be above the pull line. Cut below it and you’re messing with barber chair territory.

 

[Daniel]

Negatieve on the plane effect allowing you to throw a top further, as in the top starts sliding down the inclined plane of the humboldt face.... THAT IS NOT WHAT ALLOWS THE TOP TO BE THROWN....
An object in motion tends to stay in motion.... it's the forward motion (at the beginning of the fall) that will carry the tree forward....

This pine top didn't sail 22' from the plane effect or push back effect...

go to 11:30

 

[Daniel]

This oak top didn't get thrown 15' on push back or a plane... If you look at the tree there is zero push back as the tree trunk below the cut was being pulled forward and after moving only a little , just stopped well before separation..