Tree Climber Cuts His Hand With Chainsaw - "Viewer discretion advised"

[evo]

With all the stuff out there to use why make the cuts at all. Seems like a lot of work to not have to pull a simple piece of gear to you.

Past tense.. haven’t done it in years, it’s a trick in the bag now and never really comes out. I learned it from some old schoolers..
Things get a little differenternt when wrecking a 200’ conifers that might be 30” diameter at 150’ and in Rico’s case a bit bigger. I personally don’t do em like that for many reasons.

 

[Chaplain242]

Simple shit, where guys fall to their injury/ death because people do dum shit all the time.

You learned old-school, hands-on, from a mentor.



Side note, if you choke the RB on the back side of the spar, and run it up and over the top to the pulling direction, possibly through two small notches, you get maximum leverage, knot on top after the flop, and an easy way to cut a horizontal notch for the pull rope.

Chaplain, are you talking about two notches and a base-tie to avoid damage. Good trick.

Yep - helps to do a base tie above the back cut, running up over notch in top of spar, deep enough to handle some side loads, then to anchor or groundie. I uise this whem landing an rocks, sharps objects, mud or soft ground - saves having to dig out the knot, or lift spar to retrieve it.

 

[TimberJack]

Figure 8 on the pull rope and leave all that fancy shit at home. I know a climber who can nolonger climb doing that dumb v stuff in a big tulip.

 

[Steve Connally]

"Technically" we all know that's a no no also. Plus if you are blocking out spars then you are left with the same issue. Have to retrieve the tied off rigging line. I personally just climb single rope on 96.5% of everything. Seems to really simplify all these issues.

 

[Chaplain242]

Just to point out the v-cut I use is only for a base tied rigging rope and not for descending on... as a rule I dont use rigging ropes for descending on...

 

[rico]

This videos is not about cutting and repelling off a notch cut. When used properly it has been a very safe, useful tool for tree-men for decades.
This is about a climber being in an unstable position, and one-handedly Flailing about with a running saw. It could have happened whether he was limbing, topping, chunking, or stumbling around on the ground. He just happened to get bite while trying to make a notch on the top of a spar. After watching a few of his vids it is pretty clear that Mr. Sanchez needs to tighten up his cutting skills.

 

[Talon Tree Service]

Lanyard slip. That sucks. Hope it won’t keep you down long. One handing is never a good idea, but I’m not going to down someone with a lot more time in the saddle than myself.
For a retrievable line, why not an alpine butterfly cinched to the spar with the rope tail on the ground, descend with a figure 8, then retrieve it with the tail of your rope? Or if you’re using a tag line to pull the spar, cinch the pull line off with a running bowline and descend on the pull line with the figure 8?

 

[evo]

This videos is not about cutting and repelling off a notch cut. When used properly it has been a very safe, useful tool for tree-men for decades.
This is about a climber being in an unstable position, and one-handedly Flailing about with a running saw. It could have happened whether he was limbing, topping, chunking, or stumbling around on the ground. He just happened to get bite while trying to make a notch on the top of a spar. After watching a few of his vids it is pretty clear that Mr. Sanchez needs to tighten up his cutting skills.

The only reason I brought up the v notch, is it's just another example of lack of training.

 

[islandarb]

I enjoyed this Saturday night read. Watching USC beat up Texas although Texas just got lucky. Love me some College football. Go Tide.

 

[JD3000]

Liked all of that statement til the end.

 

[rico]

The only reason I brought up the v notch, is it's just another example of lack of training.

I have cut and repelled off of hundreds and hundreds of V-notches in my life. Im sure you are all well aware that I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, but I somehow manage to not kill myself in the process. This is fucking tree work gents, were not splitting the atom here!.

 

[TimberJack]

The v notch is as notorious for rope rolling out and droping climbers as one handing a chain saw is at cutting climbers. Sure some of us do one or the from time to time and get away with it while others die or even worse wish the were dead from injuries sustained while doing so. @rico whats makes your v notch different from the fellas who have fallen using similar technique. One handing is the aged old argument that will be discussed till the dead horse kicks back. For instance I have a new guy at work I say no one handing then next climb I one hand some what hypocritical of me i know. The differences i have years to his months of expeirence (leads to complacency) when i one hand I have a reason (or i could use a rope). So why do I one hand?

 

[rico]

The v notch is as notorious for rope rolling out and droping climbers as one handing a chain saw is at cutting climbers. Sure some of us do one or the from time to time and get away with it while others die or even worse wish the were dead from injuries sustained while doing so. @rico whats makes your v notch different from the fellas who have fallen using similar technique. One handing is the aged old argument that will be discussed till the dead horse kicks back. For instance I have a new guy at work I say no one handing then next climb I one hand some what hypocritical of me i know. The differences i have years to his months of expeirence (leads to complacency) when i one hand I have a reason (or i could use a rope). So why do I one hand?

I always made my v notch’s deep, large and in charge, and never ever trusted my life with them. As I have said before, if your repelling or working off of notches NEVER remove your flipline. I used them for years when chunking down wood and have never had a single issue.

I’ve also been one handing saws for a very long time, and the few times that a saw bite me I had 2 hands on the wheel. Go figure?

 

[RopeShield]

this is why
http://portal.treebuzz.com/one-hand...pating-the-inevitable-chainsaw-technique-1092

 

[rico]

this is why
http://portal.treebuzz.com/one-hand...pating-the-inevitable-chainsaw-technique-1092

What an ambiguous, completely non-committal article.
I hope this weekend is treating you well Ropeshield!

 

[treebilly]

Sorry to read that you got bit Kenny.
The one handing debate is a dead horse. I have my view of it and no one will ever prove me wrong. Basically I’m a lazy fook.
The V- notch is something else. I to have used it many times with no issue. Make it deep and round over the edges is how I was taught. Plus a flip line for backup. Last I knew it’s still a widely accepted practice in the logging industry. I don’t see how a rope rolls out of it. Simple physics says it can’t if cut properly. Enlighten me if I’m wrong

 

[RopeShield]

Que?

 

[RopeShield]

I'll say it again the industry is full of cowards. If you can't teach someone to safely one hand a chainsaw, you should not be teaching sawing at all.

 

[southsoundtree]

Sorry to read that you got bit Kenny.
The one handing debate is a dead horse. I have my view of it and no one will ever prove me wrong. Basically I’m a lazy fook.
The V- notch is something else. I to have used it many times with no issue. Make it deep and round over the edges is how I was taught. Plus a flip line for backup. Last I knew it’s still a widely accepted practice in the logging industry. I don’t see how a rope rolls out of it. Simple physics says it can’t if cut properly. Enlighten me if I’m wrong

IF cut properly...

Trees don't kill people, if cut properly.
Chippers don't kill people, if fed properly.

Testosterone, ignorance, poor training, etc, etc.

People used to cut notches in the back of spars , below their TIP to rig spars down. If the rigging rope jumps out of the notch, it just knocks your spurs out, theoretically. The guy I bought my chip truck from, 11 years ago, was getting out of the biz after 35 years. He warned me to be sure that if I was going to rig like that, make sure it was below my flipline. True Story.

 

[evo]

I have cut and repelled off of hundreds and hundreds of V-notches in my life. Im sure you are all well aware that I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, but I somehow manage to not kill myself in the process. This is fucking tree work gents, were not splitting the atom here!.

I have cut and repelled off of hundreds and hundreds of V-notches in my life. Im sure you are all well aware that I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, but I somehow manage to not kill myself in the process. This is fucking tree work gents, were not splitting the atom here!.

Oh, Honey. So sorry, I’m not talking about your vee notch, just Kenny’s saw flailing, spastic nonsense. I have no judgement on them as long as you know what your doing.
The video clearly shows a list of things which should be done differently all leading up to the inevitable accident. Hope dude gets the training he needs, changes professions, or figures out his limitations before he winds up jacking all our insurance rates up.