Current News Regarding the SAKA Device

Richard Mumford-yoyoman

Been here a while
Location
Atlanta GA
Release July 27, 2016

PRESS RELEASE

Current News Regarding the SAKA Device

As many of you are aware, there has been a significant reduction in availability of the SAKA device recently. This has been due to letters sent by one of our competitors. These letters basically put our resellers on notice of their exposure to potential liabilities for patent infringement. The resellers took these notices very seriously, as did we.

We would like to congratulate Mr. Frankhauser on his receipt of U.S. Patent number 9,352,190. He has made a valuable addition to rope climbing technology. However, as we are all aware, technology continues to advance. One such advancement has been the SAKA device, and here at Climbing Innovations, we continue to make more. Innovation can be a tricky thing, and some advances require much background work and proof testing, but we look forward to releasing additional devices that are based on our current designs. Additionally, we will be introducing new devices based on some exciting new technologies that we are developing.

In our current situation, we attempted to negotiate a resolution with Mr. Frankhauser’s attorneys to settle the allegations described in the letters. However, they broke off discussions with us. Thus, we are left with a cloud over our business as well as questions around the SAKA device.

To be clear, no one on our team has ever been convinced that the SAKA device infringes any valid claim in the Frankhauser patent. For this reason, we never pulled the SAKA device from the market. Our position remains that we want to abide by all laws and respect the intellectual property rights of others, while providing the industry with the ability to choose which device works better for them. In the future we anticipate adding back resellers to get the SAKA back on the market, we will keep you apprised. Details will follow soon.

Obtaining patents, in our opinion, can be a necessary step to protect a business. If you come up with a great new invention but do not protect it, a large manufacturer could copy it, and underprice you. We are willing to accept certain risks in devoting considerable time and effort to getting a new product to market; however, the risk of having someone better equipped simply underprice us, is not a risk that we wish to take. In that regard, we have always, and will always protect our innovations with patents to the best of our ability.

Having said that, if we feel that resellers are infringing any patent granted to us, we will go directly to the manufacturer. We will not go to the resellers; no matter how large or how small they are. This is simply not the way we conduct business.

We wish to thank all of our friends and colleagues who have expressed their support through this difficult time. As I am sure you have concluded, my attorneys have continuously stressed that I needed to remain silent throughout this process. I now thank them for their guidance, and look forward to getting back to providing great products that will make your business and your recreation more efficient and enjoyable. We will soon be providing you updates on our upcoming products, and other behind-the-scenes news.

Richard Mumford
 
Kudos to you, Richard.
WesSpur will remain my sole USA arb gear supplier.
Still rankles that TreeStuff threw you overboard when the seas got a bit rough.
 
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Richard, you're among friends here, mostly. You've given up a lot of your own free time over the years to pass on information to others. I know lots of tree climbers, myself included really appreciate your efforts.

I hope this recent dispute hasn't or doesn't cost you too much financially. Regardless, I'm sure your best work is still to come. Stick with it.
 
Still rankles that TreeStuff threw you overboard when the seas got a bit rough.

Dave, we didn't throw Richard overboard. We love the SAKA and Richard and all of his ideas. His support of JAMBO and TreeStuff has been amazing.

The Haas has a patent.

I'm open to every possible solution to this situation, but I'm not going to knowingly infringe on a patent. I'm not a lawyer (thank God) but I know the damages for infringement are enormous.
 
Dave, we didn't throw Richard overboard. We love the SAKA and Richard and all of his ideas. His support of JAMBO and TreeStuff has been amazing.

The Haas has a patent.

I'm open to every possible solution to this situation, but I'm not going to knowingly infringe on a patent. I'm not a lawyer (thank God) but I know the damages for infringement are enormous.
Reference to my release above I have nothing to add and will follow professional advisors but I pose a question.
If Mr. Beranek had parented his rope walker in 2009, would there be a HAAS, SAKA, Velox or for that matter any advancement in rope walker and if there was, would it only be at the hands of the Mr. Beranek.
In a world like that we would just now be waiting for the Blakes patent to expire.
 
Jason Blake had the idea that he could patent the Blake's Hitch at one time.

Think of how our world would look if that had happened and he was able to put up the money for litigation.

Bad enough other litigation happened over non-original arborist tools
 
Reference to my release above I have nothing to add and will follow professional advisors but I pose a question.
If Mr. Beranek had parented his rope walker in 2009, would there be a HAAS, SAKA, Velox or for that matter any advancement in rope walker and if there was, would it only be at the hands of the Mr. Beranek.
In a world like that we would just now be waiting for the Blakes patent to expire.

You're preaching to the choir.

The ring and ring friction saver is the classic example. No one in the USA could make this basic staple of climbing gear (without licensing the design) for 17 years because Ken Palmer "invented" it and patented it.

It is a bummer if you love innovation, like I do, but it doesn't change the reality.
 
If the spirit of innovation is alive, it would be grand to see certain products dropped by one of the (if not THE) largest companies, to see if it changes the attitude any. Drop em both if you're going to drop one.


Innovation is great. Patents are great. Putting a patent on a concept you didn't invent but supposedly "perfected" and chasing new comers out is chicken shit.

Drop the other one. It can't be that much of a profit item in the grand scheme.

Good PR move for the "acquisition" to show that you're still about the little man and innovation rather than only $$
 
I'm not going to knowingly infringe on a patent.

Luke,
The ABR "Thimble" (low friction rigging ring) knock off of Dave Driver's Antal ring rebranding, comes to mind, and I'm damn sure it's development was only allowed subsequent to a thorough perusal of any existing ring patents by TreeStuffs legal firm. Especially after Sherrill took a dislike to youse selling a different brand of pole mounted slingshot...

I don't know where the truth ends and the lying and duplicity begins in this business. You guys in collusion with Haas Man? Why would you continue to carry the Haas when the guy is in effect blackmailing you? Threatening to sue you if you continue to market Richard's SAKA. As others have said, why not opt to not carry either product for the immediate future. (Haas and SAKA)? I would not "like" that decision, but at least I could mebbe respect it. Kinda like Vern Gosdin..."If your gonna do me wrong (do it right)"
TreeStuff's lawyers need to have a teleconference with WesSpur's lawyers...they don't seem to be as spineless. Just sayin'
 
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Having met both Michael and Richard, and really liking both of them, I think this whole thing is really silly. Two genius guys who have both helped our industry in huge ways getting caught up in this legal nonsense is really sad. It certainly isn't going to help innovation come any faster or end up with any more money in anyone's pocket except for lawyers.

If these two had sat down and worked together they would both have better product(s) that were made cheaper and better. Instead, we all end up feeling like everyone loses. Lost respect, lost collaborative opportunities, and lost progression in the name of capitalist pursuit.

Hope you guys work it out. My suggestion? Leave the lawyers at home.
 
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I won't speak to legalities, but as far as perception is concerned this whole ordeal has left a sour taste in my mouth and I will never purchase a HAAS product in the future.

Regardless of the legal nonsense associated with it, I won't be buying any other HAAS products simply because the velox has disappointed me and a couple of my local peers.
The saka is simply a better device. That means more to me than anyone lining their pockets.
 
I won't speak to legalities, but as far as perception is concerned this whole ordeal has left a sour taste in my mouth and I will never purchase a HAAS product in the future.

based on what???
what do you know of me that was not provided by yoyo would substantiate this statement?
 
I, as well, greatly respect Richard and Michael. Both have increased my productivity, safety, and enjoyment of the profession.

My ill informed opinion is that the patent system is a labyrinth full treasure and demons. Many small innovators can't afford the patent process while others create nothing but can seemingly afford to buy a patent on oxygen. There is a cottage industry known as "patent trolls"; these companies buy overlooked patents then sue businesses for patent infringement. Imagine Starbucks finding the patent to coffee, McDonald's patenting burgers, and so on....ugh

Apple, Samsung, Google wring their hands and say patent law suffocates innovation, yet they use it to try and bludgeon their competitors.

Anyway, I hope to see you both continue to bring new ideas to the forefront and advance climbing safety and enjoyment.

A look at tech's take on patent law:

http://www.wired.com/insights/2013/07/patent-law-broken-abused-to-stifle-innovation/


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this is how nearly all patent things go from what I understand, its not really complicated like that. nore that dirty, I know my experience was not.

you have a idea, you test it, then you look to see if anyone else ever did it or are doing it so you don't waste your time and money. if you cannot find anyone in the same field, then you do a broader search to make sure its no were else. if that comes back clean you describe what it is that you did. you submit it and the patent office checked it agains all their existing patents, they will not offer a patent that competes with a existing patent. and a couple years later and some money you have proof and tangible ownership of your idea. and it comes on fancy paper with a gold star and some ribbon,

most of what you are seeing in the wired site is actually companies who are upset they have to pay royalties so they whine to the public to shift attention, its a great tactic, you see it all the time. or guys with stupid ideas that spend a fortune on a patent then never sell anything and loose their butts, then want to complain about the system.


patents are considered tangible. think of them the same way you would a chip truck or crane. you can buy them, sell them, lease them, loan them, will them, and they go bad after so many years. but if you own one, you won't be too keen on someone taking it out without permission and doing treee work all night with it, then bringing it back full of chips, no fuel, and a new dent.
 
this is how nearly all patent things go from what I understand, its not really complicated like that. nore that dirty, I know my experience was not.

you have a idea, you test it, then you look to see if anyone else ever did it or are doing it so you don't waste your time and money. if you cannot find anyone in the same field, then you do a broader search to make sure its no were else. if that comes back clean you describe what it is that you did. you submit it and the patent office checked it agains all their existing patents, they will not offer a patent that competes with a existing patent. and a couple years later and some money you have proof and tangible ownership of your idea. and it comes on fancy paper with a gold star and some ribbon,

most of what you are seeing in the wired site is actually companies who are upset they have to pay royalties so they whine to the public to shift attention, its a great tactic, you see it all the time. or guys with stupid ideas that spend a fortune on a patent then never sell anything and loose their butts, then want to complain about the system.


patents are considered tangible. think of them the same way you would a chip truck or crane. you can buy them, sell them, lease them, loan them, will them, and they go bad after so many years. but if you own one, you won't be too keen on someone taking it out without permission and doing treee work all night with it, then bringing it back full of chips, no fuel, and a new dent.
So the end of your statement is that Mr. Mumford creating the saka was the equivalent of someone stealing then returning someones stuff? Not following the comparison.
Best of luck to you two, it's a shame Haas team isnt willing to work this out, it would appear to be state your emotional stance and stomp your feet tactics is your preference.
Regardless of how I feel about this, I appreciate Haas bringing a knee ascender main stream, I never saw the idea before seeing the Haas, and my first generation one has been just awesome. Please stop clogging the lines that provide all of us new, different, and helpful gear. The same lines that brought us the Haas when it first came out.
 
This is a bit of a sidetrack but I think it's relevant. I have learned so much about sewing that I did not know before I came up with my unique design. Also a lot about patents and the professional knowledge that is needed to understand them. In all this thinking and going over other patents I started to think about one, the zipper. I thought, that has been around forever but what if a new designed could be developed that would make it even better. I've been thinking about it for a month or so and you know what, I think I'm onto something. I don't want to get overly excited but I couldn't help but think if I were able to just get $0.05 from every zipper, wow! I now have good connections with patent attorneys to make this process move along. And don't worry when I get zipper rich, I won't forget you guys.
I'm not being hypothetical, I really thought of something and now will get my attorney to help me thru the process.
I truly believe things happen for a reason, especially innovation, that in my mind, comes from the universe.
 

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