Who dis?

[Basswood]

Wandering through Brooklyn seeing a man about some Paw Paw’s I came across this pretty damn nice oak tree in a park. I’m thinking Turkey Oak, Quercus cerris. What do you all think?

 

[Jonny]

Bur oak/ quercus macrocarpa?

 

[ATH]

Looks like a sawtooth oak acorn and a white oak leaf...doesn't quite look just right for the Bur oak I see around here, but there are other pictures very similar to that - and there's certainly regional variation, so I could buy Bur oak.

 

[Stumpsprouts]

Sawtooth oak is around in Brooklyn, I never saw Bur but I am sure that’s around too. I am also thinking the acorn and leaf are mismatched?

 

[Basswood]

Nope. Acorn came straight from the tree.

 

[Stelzer]

Quercus alba

 

[ATH]

Nope. Acorn came straight from the tree.

Then I think @Jonny got it with Bur. Maybe some White oak mixed in there:

Article: Oak Promiscuity

 

[evo]

Certainly not turkey oak, at least compared to the only one I’ve ever seen

 

[ATH]

Certainly not turkey oak, at least compared to the only one I’ve ever seen

Yeah, bark and leaf are about not. But the acorn cap looks more like it that. It does bur oak around here.

 

[Brando CalPankian]

Looks like bur oak to me.

 

[Basswood]

Acorn seems small for burr though doesn’t it?

 

[Jonny]

Acorn seems small for burr though doesn’t it?

Yea kinda.
Did you get the acorn from the tree or from the ground?

 

[ATH]

Acorn seems small for burr though doesn’t it?

100%....which goes back to my first post. Almost looks like different trees. Maybe that Bebbs oak? I have a couple, but they aren't big enough for seeds yet. Just guessing that because its a cross between Bur and White.

 

[Stumpsprouts]

Certainly not turkey oak, at least compared to the only one I’ve ever seen

Common name drama. Q. cerris and Q. laevis both are called Turkey oaks. Q. cerris is at the top of the photo and seems like a match to me. Dirr says it’s ’haystack shaped’, oddly specific but yeah I see that. Native to s Europe and w Asia.

Q. laevis is ours. I’ve seen them around here occasionally.

Can someone explain to me why a tree native to Europe / Asia is named a ‘turkey oak’ when there are no native turkeys in that range? Come on, people.

 

[Basswood]

Yea kinda.
Did you get the acorn from the tree or from the ground?

Acorn is from the tree

 

[Basswood]

Yeah when I said Turkey oak I was referring to cerris.

 

[Stumpsprouts]

Yeah when I said Turkey oak I was referring to cerris.

Ah sorry, I didn’t see that in my revisiting of this. I definitely agree.

Extended passage from Dirr:

“Quercus cerris is a striking, conical-oblong, haystack-shaped to round-headed, 40 - 60’ high and wide tree that shows great adaptability but is unknown outside of arboreta. I have seen superb trees at the Morris Arboretum and Spring Grove. Appears to grow well in clay soil and has withstood -25F and the droughts of the past 30 years. Leaves hold late and die off green or yellow-brown in fall. The bark is especially noteworthy since it is gray-blackish and occurs in raised checkered plates. The 1 inch long acorns are enclosed half their length by a cap with reflected scales. Reminds to some degree of the cap of Q. acutissima, only smaller.” Etc etc

 

[ATH]

Common name drama. Q. cerris and Q. laevis both are called Turkey oaks. Q. cerris is at the top of the photo and seems like a match to me. Dirr says it’s ’haystack shaped’, oddly specific but yeah I see that. Native to s Europe and w Asia.

Q. laevis is ours. I’ve seen them around here occasionally.

Can someone explain to me why a tree native to Europe / Asia is named a ‘turkey oak’ when there are no native turkeys in that range? Come on, people.

There we go...I bet that's it!

I've heard Q. acutissima called Turkey Oak. I've always understood that's because people are planting them for turkey habitat because they fruit early and heavy. (which also causes concerns they may behave like an invasive species....)

Quercus subg. Cerris - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Suuz]

I'd say, definitely Quercus cerris.