What happened to the Matt Cornell Rope Saddle?

I typed in equality of men and women in the bible on Google. Because although I skimmed this thread since I posted lots of misconstrued statements being made, in my opinion..
https://www.onfaith.co/discussion/the-bible-is-crystal-clear-on-gender-equality
Please read the article carefully if you care
I guess I just don't think it's good to let one man or mens or womens shitty actions get confused for God s way..
 
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colb said:
Yeah, Reg, I understand those awkward appearances. First, Bibles should not be in courtrooms. We should not pledge allegiance "under God". The ten commandments should not be posted outside our courtrooms. To varying success and failure, the United States separates church and state. I think it's been a while since a war was explicitly started in God's name - correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like recent wars have been started on grounds of humanitarianism (Syria, Afghanistan, Bosnia), the potential for nuclear irresponsibility (Iraq). Please note that I don't categorically believe those grounds, or believe that they are disconnected from Imperialism, colonialism, and the USA as an arms dealer state.

If Matt does not harm people, he can do whatever he wants, in my opinion. That is the central value of Wican, by the way, and I wish it was a more explicit Christian value. Matt harms and threatens females (and males like me who actively work to empower all people through equality) by asserting a nonconsensual power over them.

Female perspective is largely missing in this thread (excepting the FB posts and Hooters tangent), and that needs to be heard for this to be a valid discussion. However, what female is going to invest time and energy on people who seek to invalidate their intrinsic personhood? This thread is, in part, an echo chamber.
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I think Bush and Blair partly used God as to justify their actions in Iraq. As for the nuclear irresponibility threat....well only one country has ever used those weapons thus far. It's the same one that retains the biggest stock pile to this day. And seems to believe it's government has the right to say who can and can't for the rest of the world. The equality thing again. But that's way off target now.

I believe Matt does have a girlfriend or wife. I think the relationship is in fact consensual.

Re, the sex equality issue ? God, where do begin. Can I say God ? Don't anyone come after me now. The victimization and surpression of women.....I'm just not aware of it. So where is it exactly? Because I keep hearing about it on TV and stuff, but without a great deal of valid examples. Ive seen lots of victims of unfairness in the work place over the years, but it had nothing to do with gender. People are equally good and bad from both sexes.

Is the argument for equal opportunity? Well that's all good and well but there's certain categories or roles, lets use work for example, where the best of one sex is going to have advantages over the best of the other, through genetics. And that shouldn't upset or offend anyone. But it seems like it does. In work, you can generally get what your worth.....but often you'll have to fight to prove it. You can only stretch equality so far too, because, we're different. Theres nothing wrong with admitting we're different. Men cant get pregnant for a reason....and I dont feel cheated by that. I don't resent women for having that gift. I dont feel like I need to correct that imbalance. But it feels like this wave of supersensitivy has spread like an infection more recently, so not to hurt someones' feelings, for the risk of causing irepairable damage. Like they can't either just stand up for themselves or let it fly....its no big deal. It didnt used to be. I have a wife and daughter, and they'l be the first to tell you they don't need empowering, protecting and modycoddling. They'e not made of glass, and neither am I. We don't need diluting. And thanks, Colb for your reply, that was a lot of words you put down there.
 
Treetopflyer said:
I typed in equality of men and women in the bible on Google. Because although I skimmed this thread since I posted lots of misconstrued statements being made, in my opinion..
https://www.onfaith.co/discussion/the-bible-is-crystal-clear-on-gender-equality
Please read the article carefully if you care
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Whether you believe in the bible or not, its a vey big book. That small article contains but a handful of cherries that fit that particular ladies feelings. Not a fair summary other than how she feels. God bless her.
 
For the record Tom, I don't agree either, if what he's saying is that women are put on earth merely as man's assistant, or something along those lines. We partners on the earth more like. But Matts present feelings on the matter, which may change in time, just dont seem like something worth of all the commotion and apparent outrage. It seems everybody needs to be outraged about something these days. And equality is often more complex in puting your best foot forward. If you want the best result you sometimes have to put equality in the shelf. And that works both ways too.
 
I’ll keep my personal beliefs to myself however I still fail to see how the saddle situation solves anything more than a PR move to retain a certain category of customer. I think the entire thing is crap including he views, the Bible, and the politics as well. I’m a simple guy. I like a song regardless of the lyrics. Half the time I never ponder the meaning of the song.
 
Reg said:
Whether you believe in the bible or not, its a vey big book. That small article contains but a handful of cherries that fit that particular ladies feelings. Not a fair summary other than how she feels. God bless her.
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What really then is a fair summary Reg? Enlighten me. It is a big book. I read it regularly.. I've yet to see where God places women less than men and as a husband with three daughters and a son I'd tend to agree with God above all. Truth is love ..believe it or not.. Peoples poor choices are often confused for God's and that was the point I thought I was trying to make..:)
 
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Sometimes while crabbing we catch an octopus. I have a very strong feeling for these particular creatures for some reason . A lot of guys love to eat them. When I am in control I set them free, knowing they go in our traps and eat entire traps worth of crab sometimes going from trap to trap. It’s just what feels right to me.
But I can’t always have things my way. Sometimes I’m not in charge and the other guys want to eat the octopus. I don’t eat it. But they have the right to do as they please. That doesn’t make them wrong necessarily
 
I don't know Matt Cornell, but I think Kevin is on to something, This could be an opportunity for Matt to take control of the manufacture and sales of his innovation, and maybe in the process provide some additional income for himself and his female employees. As an innovator, he may come up with other innovations.
 
Treetopflyer said:
What really then is a fair summary Reg? Enlighten me. It is a big book. I read it regularly.. I've yet to see where God places women less than men and as a husband with three daughters and a son I'd tend to agree with God above all. Truth is love ..believe it or not.. Peoples poor choices are often confused for God's and that was he point I thought I was trying to make..:)
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That'd make me naive, wouldn' it ? As you know its a very in dept and subjective piece of work. I read it as a youngster. If I read it now it could well mean something completely different. If it was meant to be summarized in a page, I'm sure the authors would be thought of that at the time. The author of that link on the other hand, clearly had an agenda. Perhaps one of the negative aspects to the bible and and the enlightenment people perceive thereafter, is frequency of one reader or group of readers believing the interpretation and direction it give them is the righteous one...while someone else's must then be wrong. Yet the opposing views speak and judge with absolutism that they are in fact right.
 
Reg said:
That'd make me naive, wouldn' it ? As you know its a very in dept and subjective piece of work. I read it as a youngster. If I read it now it could well mean something completely different. If it was meant to be summarized in a page, I'm sure the authors would be thought of that at the time. The author of that link on the other hand, clearly had an agenda. Perhaps one of the negative aspects to the bible and and the enlightenment people perceive thereafter, is frequency of one reader or group of readers believing the interpretation and direction it give them is the righteous one...while someone else's must then be wrong. Yet the opposing views speak and judge with absolutism that they are in fact right.
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Things are not always black and white and red all over. Hence this conversation..
 
Reg said:
I think Bush and Blair partly used God as to justify their actions in Iraq. As for the nuclear irresponibility threat....well only one country has ever used those weapons thus far. It's the same one that retains the biggest stock pile to this day. And seems to believe it's government has the right to say who can and can't for the rest of the world. The equality thing again. But that's way off target now.

I believe Matt does have a girlfriend or wife. I think the relationship is in fact consensual.

Re, the sex equality issue ? God, where do begin. Can I say God ? Don't anyone come after me now. The victimization and surpression of women.....I'm just not aware of it. So where is it exactly? Because I keep hearing about it on TV and stuff, but without a great deal of valid examples. Ive seen lots of victims of unfairness in the work place over the years, but it had nothing to do with gender. People are equally good and bad from both sexes.

Is the argument for equal opportunity? Well that's all good and well but there's certain categories or roles, lets use work for example, where the best of one sex is going to have advantages over the best of the other, through genetics. And that shouldn't upset or offend anyone. But it seems like it does. In work, you can generally get what your worth.....but often you'll have to fight to prove it. You can only stretch equality so far too, because, we're different. Theres nothing wrong with admitting we're different. Men cant get pregnant for a reason....and I dont feel cheated by that. I don't resent women for having that gift. I dont feel like I need to correct that imbalance. But it feels like this wave of supersensitivy has spread like an infection more recently, so not to hurt someones' feelings, for the risk of causing irepairable damage. Like they can't either just stand up for themselves or let it fly....its no big deal. It didnt used to be. I have a wife and daughter, and they'l be the first to tell you they don't need empowering, protecting and modycoddling. They'e not made of glass, and neither am I. We don't need diluting. And thanks, Colb for your reply, that was a lot of words you put down there.
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Respectfully, it's really easy to fall back on pregnancy as a case for instituting fairness in place of equality. Big problems. First, women don't have to become pregers. Next, the duration of pregnancy is very small over the whole course of a woman's life. If they live for 100 years, that's approximately a 1/120th/pregnancy advantage in time productivity that a man has over a woman. Implicit is the argument that a woman who gives birth will also raise the kids, which isn't necessarily the case (particular respect to @Steve Connally and all parents who provide substantial availability to their children). Almost everywhere I look, there is much greater *overlap* between the abilities of different sexes than there is outstandingly exclusive ability. On the track, the fastest men run a small fraction of time faster. Same with weights, vocabulary (where women often excell over men). In almost every case a woman can step into a role that is traditionally a man's role, and vice versa, there is far more equality than disparity. Because of that, we should almost always expect equality. Almost always is a lot.

I depend on asymmetrical fairness in those infrequent instances where equality isn't viable, or when the fairness is by consent. Egalitarianism by consent has its problems, but it should be a fundamental expectation unless assymetry is negotiated in a spirit of fairness. So I like how you're phrasing "put equality on the shelf", just concerned that it means "traditional gender roles" instead of the plain language that you typed out.

We are wayyy down the rabbit hole here though. In truth, the MCRS is an issue born of fairly outdated patriarchal principles - the bad ones. We don't really need to finesse all this to call a spade a spade. He agrees that women are slaves. When he unagrees, maybe I will reconsider the lesser issues I have with those posts...
 
Every time I read something about christians on the buzz someone is misquoting the Bible and misunderstanding the faith based on some overly religious dingleberry. This is a predominately left leaning website, so I get it. But the gang banging must stop. People of the left preach their religion of equality and tolerance but are the first ones to put someone in the back of the bus. This is not a misquote, the guy who wrote this was at one point the most famous Jew to persecute Christians. His name was Saul and he was charged with killing all Christians left over after Christ was crucified. He also believed that anyone that was not Jewish was a lower life form than a dog. This is what Christ does to your heart. If one hasn't had this kind of change, then one probably isn't a Christian. Galatians 3:28 New International Version (NIV)

28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

That is how a real Christian feels about equality and I'm not writing about myself.

As far as a wife serving a man that is more from the Muslim culture.


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Flex Abednego said:
Sometimes while crabbing we catch an octopus. I have a very strong feeling for these particular creatures for some reason . A lot of guys love to eat them. When I am in control I set them free, knowing they go in our traps and eat entire traps worth of crab sometimes going from trap to trap. It’s just what feels right to me.
But I can’t always have things my way. Sometimes I’m not in charge and the other guys want to eat the octopus. I don’t eat it. But they have the right to do as they please. That doesn’t make them wrong necessarily
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Octopi aren't verifiably within the bounds of the human moral standard, as most women are... Trees may be in the same boat as octopi. Maybe you should eat fruit and owl pellets. ;)
 
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