Steve Connally
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No Reg. The bullshit flag was for Nick. You are crystal clear when you speak. I admire that.
What happened to the Matt Cornell Rope Saddle?
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Steve Connally
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I’ll work on it.
Steve Connally
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Reg
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Thanks Steve. It doesn't really mean that much to me without reading what is being said from the other contributors.
I'm assuming he went on to say much worse than this to justify getting dropped from Treestuff, have people tear up his saddle and start receiving death threats ?
I'm assuming he went on to say much worse than this to justify getting dropped from Treestuff, have people tear up his saddle and start receiving death threats ?
TimBr
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Maybe just a mild case of heat rash.
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Flex Abednego
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Can’t say I necessarily agree with these fellas but it’s a crazy world we live in. Suddenly we live in an era where it’s wrong to be proud of being manly. Personally I’m tired of it.
This constant push from the lgbtq, feminist, and minority quarters has changed me from feeling empathetic toward their positions to now feeling more like f’em. I have always been on the side of the down trodden but enough is enough. These groups want to push the majority over the edge and everyone just seems to kowtow to increasingly ridiculous behaviors and requests.
It’s like letting your children decide what you do.
This constant push from the lgbtq, feminist, and minority quarters has changed me from feeling empathetic toward their positions to now feeling more like f’em. I have always been on the side of the down trodden but enough is enough. These groups want to push the majority over the edge and everyone just seems to kowtow to increasingly ridiculous behaviors and requests.
It’s like letting your children decide what you do.
Steve Connally
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Well I didn’t feel it was my Place to repost all the their garbage on this thread. There is a lot of tit for tat going back n and it all stared over a rape meme. MC wasn’t getters my the threats that I know of. It was those who were spamming him and his followers. It was pretty dramatic. For me I don’t agree but I’m t sure isn’t worth trashing my saddle or threatening ts wth the lack of my patronag. There was a lot t of stuff but these are Matt’s words that got he saddle pulled. Just for clarification. So when Mr High and Mighty says he dropped the saddle from the store now you can judge for yourself if the words were worthy of the decision. To me they weren’t. It was an attempt to hold on to a small customer base who was viewed as having some sort of influence over people who buy gear. Let me tell you with absolute certainty treestuff is barely holding onto the customers they had. I am on a private group with some notable people in this industry who wield quite a bit of influence over others purchases. There is nothing positive being said about treestuff or its GM. They buy from them if no one else has something and it happens to be in stock. Some of us have tried to tell Nick what was going on and we were met with snide, dismissive, and arrogant responses. So there is where it is in a word. You be the judge.
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what is true is we need to figure out how to get the saddle back into construction. at least the leg pads. I thought selling anything but the leg pads was crazy. why spend money for someone else to tie knots with new rope especially when I have literally two miles of perfectly good short chunks of rope hanging in my shop waiting for a purpose. Not to mention boxes of rings and bits and pieces with out a home. If I'm going to pay that much money I'm going to buy proffessionally sewn webbing, which is lighter and distributes pressure better. Probably an easier manufacturing process as well (that's a lot of work making spliced custom rope saddles! and it requires advanced skill and training to assemble.)
But if you sell me those sweet quality pads for a fair price that Matt Cornell put huge amount of energy refining, I could outfit my crew for years comfortably, safely and affordably.
So maybe the good Amish people at weaver (also with different views on social life) can keep making those pads somehow. How do we get this product back on the market in the way that its supposed to be.
maybe Sherrill and every body sells the pads as rope saddle pads and leave Matt's name out of it. Of course sending him his agreed on royalty or whatever they have going.
I don't know. there has to be a solution.
But if you sell me those sweet quality pads for a fair price that Matt Cornell put huge amount of energy refining, I could outfit my crew for years comfortably, safely and affordably.
So maybe the good Amish people at weaver (also with different views on social life) can keep making those pads somehow. How do we get this product back on the market in the way that its supposed to be.
maybe Sherrill and every body sells the pads as rope saddle pads and leave Matt's name out of it. Of course sending him his agreed on royalty or whatever they have going.
I don't know. there has to be a solution.
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Steve Connally
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Nope.
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Agreed Kevin. It’s not just Matt they’ve punished.
TimBr
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Interesting article, thanks for posting the link.
Reg
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The manly part is incidental. He's just quoting his religion. The same religion I assumed the West was built around....that of whichever presdent you voted in, swears upon when they take office.
Seems crazy that others feel it's their place to punish an Amerian for speaking of his belief in Christianity, in America. He didnt commit a crime, harm or threaten anyone....agree with his views or not. Rather, he just argued with couple people on facebook. Nothing even to do with his saddle.
Yep, it is. Potentially meaningful too, if it leads to a change in attitudes, beliefs, or values.
Also, with respect to the Facebook posts, the post about going to a breastaurant is a:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
It has no bearing on whether it's reasonable to treat women as property. However, as a separate thread, it has traction, and informs on whether to patronize Sherrillstuff. I mean, why the heck do you provide breastaurant to a bunch of guys who you're trying to convince that things are going fine with the tree gear? Back to the MCRS...
Are some of you guys comfortable with ladies speaking about men this way? A potential conversation, paraphrased from the Facebook thread, would be:
"Men are natural slaves."
"We agree, sister. Leave that post up - it is central to our identity."
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It is NOT manly to place anyone beneath yourself.
This isn't a religious or political issue. It is socail. We are all part of the human rqce
Like Shigo said:
Compartmentalization is good for trees, not arborists [or human society...my add in parantheses]
This isn't a religious or political issue. It is socail. We are all part of the human rqce
Like Shigo said:
Compartmentalization is good for trees, not arborists [or human society...my add in parantheses]
Reg
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It is clearly religious on Matts part, Tom. If he's truly committed, then it outweighs social acceptance in his thinking. Some people don't do half measures
Christianity is not a belief of the United States. It is a belief of some of the citizenry, and should be protected where it doesn't conflict with the country's baseline values. One of those values is equal rights.
The money derived from the saddle presumably goes to T'S, who forwards most of it to the MCRS company. The company retains some for production and development and also passes a portion onwards to the CEO who holds unequal rights as a value. Clearly, a portion of the MCRS money has agency in unequal rights.
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So why do your leaders talk about God so much. Start wars in God's name and stuff ? Why do you have a bible in the courtrooms ?
Does Matt have the right to speak and live by his Christian beliefs ? Should he be outcast or punished ?
Does equal rights extend to the rest of the world, or just within US boundaries....such as a country that doesnt' hold the same values as america ? Communists and Muslims are two obvious examples. Not to get too far away from the saddle thing, but just I'm just curious how you personally feel about those things. Thanks
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Yup...and that a religion that I don't care to associate with
Being truly committed is not acceptable. History is clotted with truly committed people. Not hard to name dozens.
You're right, ... "in ______ [fiill in whoever here] his thinking" but that doesn't make it acceptable.
Zealots can be daangerous
My comments are so far away from the discussion of the business side of this harness discussion.
Yeah, Reg, I understand those awkward appearances. First, Bibles should not be in courtrooms. We should not pledge allegiance "under God". The ten commandments should not be posted outside our courtrooms. To varying success and failure, the United States separates church and state. I think it's been a while since a war was explicitly started in God's name - correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like recent wars have been started on grounds of humanitarianism (Syria, Afghanistan, Bosnia), the potential for nuclear irresponsibility (Iraq). Please note that I don't categorically believe those grounds, or believe that they are disconnected from Imperialism, colonialism, and the USA as an arms dealer state.
If Matt does not harm people, he can do whatever he wants, in my opinion. That is the central value of Wican, by the way, and I wish it was a more explicit Christian value. Matt harms and threatens females (and males like me who actively work to empower all people through equality) by asserting a nonconsensual power over them.
Female perspective is largely missing in this thread (excepting the FB posts and Hooters tangent), and that needs to be heard for this to be a valid discussion. However, what female is going to invest time and energy on people who seek to invalidate their intrinsic personhood? This thread is, in part, an echo chamber.
Each person or group should choose whether anyone else should be an outcast to them. This includes Treestuff, who committed no crime by discontinuing sale of the saddle. TS has tangibly harmed and/or threatened the owners of the MCRS. I would argue that the harm and threat done to the likes of @Steve Connally is substantial and meaningful, yet less than that done by leveling down women. I personally don't want to live in that world where it is okay to stratify people based largely on whimsy.
Communists can be peachy, if they choose it. Communism and capitalism are not so clearly different as history tells us. Rather, each state is an ever-changing blend of both, to varying degrees, along varying paths.
All systems of spiritual belief can be fine, or a bunch of bunk. The behavior of the person in front of me is what matters most. If they elevate themselves and those around them, I'll put my resources towards them.
If I can just cut to the chase, Reg, you're really asking me why I'm straining the gnat and eating the camel (which is also another red herring). My answer is that the gnat is also a camel. I'm hopeful that you'll help me design a bigger strainer, and a way to get them both in the strainer because I may not be able to do it on my own. I have no intention of sitting around eating proverbial camel.
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You might not care for that religion Tom, but lots of others do. Accepting one person's beliefs, while condemning another's doesn't sound much like equality.
There have been many an iconic, fully committed hero or villain....depending who's side your on.
