Welcome To Rope Logic

[SomethingWitty]

Whoopies can slip,that's thier weak spot,loopies do not slip when choked with the bury section evenly split amongst the bight(or whatever you wanna call it)

Then maybe I had my physics all wrong...
If they can slip, why the hell are they so popular? I haven't used one in a few years. Basically since I got my first deadeye. But I know that they are very popular to this day.

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

ummmmmmmmm i've kinda coined the word
ropeLogic my'self, i assume no problem..
(at first thought thread was about finding me out!)
purposefully in camelCase / studdlyCaps
(all lower case except 1st letters caps, except first, first letter; giving visual/not logical 'delimiter')
(dot syntax uses dot as logical delimiter, slash syntax uses slash.., camelCase visual/ not logical delimiter)
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knot logic wouldn't cover pulley powers etc., so ropeLogic
part of idea was duality of meaning (of curse)
rope log ic(integrated circuit)
even tried design of rope pic thru rope letters, log thru log and computer stuff thru ic letters.
(didn't turn out too well)

 

[jmaher]

I can NEVER figure out your posts.

 

[Brocky]

My theory is that TreeSpyder doesn't give out information that he has worked to obtain and understand out on a silver platter. The reader must also work to get the same. Just my theory.

 

[hseII]

Hmmm... I'm not sure I got all of that, lol, but take a picture from the tree if you're able to.

I quit the whoopies because the finger traps were slipping under heavy load - happened twice and I couldn't catch large logs for a while while I switched course. Still wondering if it was user error or the nature of the product... If you're using basket configuration then you're probably not going to have that problem because your rigging point is likely to be above the piece you're rigging...

What is the weak point in that system? Will the tenex melt or abraid under friction from the hitch?

I was thinking Loopie, but posted Whoopie: I apologize for the confusion.

I don't know regarding the melting or abraiding; that brings up good points that hopefully can be answered by the experts.

Tom Hoffman is a rocket scientist concerning this topic, and I wish he was more accessible to discuss.

 

[Worthaug]

I was thinking Loopie, but posted Whoopie: I apologize for the confusion.

I don't know regarding the melting or abraiding; that brings up good points that hopefully can be answered by the experts.

Tom Hoffman is a rocket scientist concerning this topic, and I wish he was more accessible to discuss.

No such configuration, a ring on a Loopie?!?! Blasphemous!


Reed Wortley
ISA CA# SO-6953A
CTSP # 01739

 

[hseII]

No such configuration, a ring on a Loopie?!?! Blasphemous!


Reed Wortley
ISA CA# SO-6953A
CTSP # 01739

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4gZQAZBG_...-zKiOi8/s1600/stable+braid+sling+5+X6159S.jpg

I want to buy something like this, in 7/8" Stable Braid, 20' long, with a beast ring on one end, and the big eye w/ chafe sleeve on the other.( Why the eye, meh, why not: otherwise it will just be a clean end. Maybe that is the better option.)

Now, a second Beast ring, made from a bite, or basket,( old habits are hard to separate, my rigging used to involve chain falls, comes longs, & cranes, so please bare with me), with the "Locking" Prusik behind it with the Large ring.

Now you have an infinitely adjustable,( to approx. 6' diameter for pi • 20' length), 1 BFS, that should handle Most anything.

Am I getting to complicated?

 

[Worthaug]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4gZQAZBG_...-zKiOi8/s1600/stable+braid+sling+5+X6159S.jpg

I want to buy something like this, in 7/8" Stable Braid, 20' long, with a beast ring on one end, and the big eye w/ chafe sleeve on the other.( Why the eye, meh, why not: otherwise it will just be a clean end. Maybe that is the better option.)

Now, a second Beast ring, made from a bite, or basket,( old habits are hard to separate, my rigging used to involve chain falls, comes longs, & cranes, so please bare with me), with the "Locking" Prusik behind it with the Large ring.

Now you have an infinitely adjustable,( to approx. 6' diameter for pi • 20' length), 1 BFS, that should handle Most anything.

Am I getting to complicated?

Cool, do it!


Reed Wortley
ISA CA# SO-6953A
CTSP # 01739

 

[hseII]

Cool, do it!


Reed Wortley
ISA CA# SO-6953A
CTSP # 01739

I'm accumulating my equipment as I go, as this isn't my main job right now.

I'm not yet into splicing, and right now, I'm not going to start.

I emailed the X Man using the email provided on his website, but he's been busy.

I'll talk to Tree Stuff again.

 

[colb]

Whoopies can slip,that's thier weak spot,loopies do not slip when choked with the bury section evenly split amongst the bight(or whatever you wanna call it)

Good to know. I was using professionally spliced loopies (my mistake above, they are loopies, not whoopies...), snugging up (I thought...) my bury each time, and kept my bury away from the action on the back of the spar. There's nothing like watching your negative blocked hickory log slide an extra 8 feet until the end splice jams in the bury. The tenex looked like a freshly showered short-haired dog. I switched to an ultra sling for terminal rigging and have my confidence back.

 

[colb]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4gZQAZBG_...-zKiOi8/s1600/stable+braid+sling+5+X6159S.jpg

I want to buy something like this, in 7/8" Stable Braid, 20' long, with a beast ring on one end, and the big eye w/ chafe sleeve on the other.( Why the eye, meh, why not: otherwise it will just be a clean end. Maybe that is the better option.)

Now, a second Beast ring, made from a bite, or basket,( old habits are hard to separate, my rigging used to involve chain falls, comes longs, & cranes, so please bare with me), with the "Locking" Prusik behind it with the Large ring.

Now you have an infinitely adjustable,( to approx. 6' diameter for pi • 20' length), 1 BFS, that should handle Most anything.

Am I getting to complicated?

The construction implies that trunk sections up to 6' diameter will be negative blocked. Usually, that is crane work, or chuck-n-f*ck. If negative blocking is the intended use, I'd at least place the prussik slightly longer than the eye it's hitched adjacent to, to make it function more as a bend radius increaser and not as a load bearer.

If a big log gets dumped on that, there are several things I can imagine being theoretically possible (and perhaps none would happen). The prussik could slip under sudden load and travel down to the ring on the main sling. The prussik cord might be of a different minimum break strength than the main sling. The prussik and main sling may glaze each other upon sudden heavy loading. The prussik cord may melt into the main sling.

With big logs, simple constructions with fewer moving parts are best, imho. I have never negative blocked anything larger than about 35" diameter, so I also need to defer to others about this.

 

[hseII]

The construction implies that trunk sections up to 6' diameter will be negative blocked. Usually, that is crane work, or chuck-n-f*ck. If negative blocking is the intended use, I'd at least place the prussik slightly longer than the eye it's hitched adjacent to, to make it function more as a bend radius increaser and not as a load bearer.

If a big log gets dumped on that, there are several things I can imagine being theoretically possible (and perhaps none would happen). The prussik could slip under sudden load and travel down to the ring on the main sling. The prussik cord might be of a different minimum break strength than the main sling. The prussik and main sling may glaze each other upon sudden heavy loading. The prussik cord may melt into the main sling.

With big logs, simple constructions with fewer moving parts are best, imho. I have never negative blocked anything larger than about 35" diameter, so I also need to defer to others about this.

Thank You.

 

[Oroboros]

Proper installation of a loopie. The climber doesn't milk the splice after setting the length which I believe should be done.

 

[Sgriff]

%100 absolutely it is a necessary step.

 

[CutHighnLetFly]

IDK...

I dont mean to goof up your mojo bud, but let me save you 2 rings by telling you if you load those bitches up the two different rings won't play well together. I've done it. Rope logic rings are best used with their own kind, same with XRRs.
Segregation works. Ask D. Trump haha

As for the name change, clearly a Sherill tactic. Hear the TreeStuff and rockstuff names are to be changed to Treeshit/RockShit

Only kidding! Put down the guns!!!

 

[SomethingWitty]

I dont mean to goof up your mojo bud, but let me save you 2 rings by telling you if you load those bitches up the two different rings won't play well together. I've done it. Rope logic rings are best used with their own kind, same with XRRs.
Segregation works. Ask D. Trump haha

As for the name change, clearly a Sherill tactic. Hear the TreeStuff and rockstuff names are to be changed to Treeshit/RockShit

Only kidding! Put down the guns!!!

I'm dying

 

[hseII]

I dont mean to goof up your mojo bud, but let me save you 2 rings by telling you if you load those bitches up the two different rings won't play well together. I've done it. Rope logic rings are best used with their own kind, same with XRRs.
Segregation works. Ask D. Trump haha

As for the name change, clearly a Sherill tactic. Hear the TreeStuff and rockstuff names are to be changed to Treeshit/RockShit

Only kidding! Put down the guns!!!

Well Doesn't that Just Suck.

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

I can NEVER figure out your posts.

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i was saying i've been using the name ropeLogic myself;
describing word choice and design;
showing how it can stand for rope, log, ic(integrated circuit) also.
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My theory is that TreeSpyder doesn't give out information that he has worked to obtain and understand out on a silver platter. The reader must also work to get the same. Just my theory.

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i guess i'm odd kid that made math teachers throw chalk at chalkboard time and again;
but please know it didn't make me any less right..
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Same kid sat inside head, quietly studying everything purposefully done climbing, rigging, sawing etc.
Folding lessons over and over on each other.
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i remember on ISA bbs in 90's, staying quiet, reading, finally spoke up and said i thought there was a 2/1 in climber self lift.
Not a very popular notion at the time, then have expanded that to '2handing' pulley work etc.
i just see stuff differently it seems; including generically seeing force flow like electricity thru a schematic as tangible model.
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Most things i post, haven't read before, so try to make that contribution/fill void.
To do so, have named things internally for years, re-made, scrapped, polished theories to what i present.
So, have this self made, internal-gut level language for un-named things and processes i guess.
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i guess i just try to offer view into world i see!