Water work

allmark · Apr 12, 2006

Now that you say that I see the mirror. Sometimes you just look to in depth and miss the simple. /forum/images/graemlins/bangtard.gif

chris_girard · Apr 12, 2006

I did a job down in Mass. a couple of years back were the property owner wanted a few understory trees removed in his back yard that happened to also be part of a conservation easement.

We were at least 50' from the stream. The owner said he was cleared to do the work, so I thought nothing of it. Turns out he cannot do a thing on this conservation easement. That to me is b.s. It is not a preservation easement for god's sake. After we were done our work it looked 100% better than before.

Well, one of his neighbors reported it and he was fined $3,000. plus he had to replant additional trees in his back yard.

Oh yeah, he had also just moved up from N.J. I guess I should have looked into the DES regulations myself.

Chris

Toparboring · Apr 13, 2006

Looks like i good job well done Mark,, and for the truck NNNNIIIIICCCCEEEE. Even though I am tring to understand the reason for the cutting. I could see the reason for filling in in certain areas, but could also see that some cleaning out in some areas. I digress you did your part and now it is up to the trusty utility dept. to do the rest. Man I can hear the home owners now seeing each other and shaking their heads(thinking man I miss that tree)

Mark Chisholm · Apr 14, 2006

I hear ya, but the fact is that the homeoweners all seemed to be happy as heck to see them all go. Some even asked to remove more if possible?

Toparboring · Apr 16, 2006

Well that seems to be a feindly one, heck here I was hired out by my buddy to plant 16 blue spuce to block a veiw from a nieghbor.

Gerald_Beranek · Apr 16, 2006

I've cleared many a swath through riparian zones during my line clearence days and can't say I've ever seen any erosion problems created by it. The proof of having gone over the same areas numerous times over an 18 year period. While the trunks and canopies of the trees were totally removed the living root systems of the willows, elderberry, alder and various perenial understory that suckers back kept the ground quite together. Well enough that we'd have to come through about every 6 years and do it again.

That was back some time ago. Today the rules have changed about all that. I read things in the paper now and then about local people getting some pretty stiff fines and other penaties for cutting trees in a riparian zones now. But is it truely damaging to the environmental setting in every case. From my experience I don't think so.

Jerry B

chris_girard · Apr 28, 2006

Jerry, I would totally agree with you, but how do we make the Eco-environmental people see it that way? They have no idea what its like to actually work in the woods year in and year out.

The rules and power that they have now is way too much in my opinion. Don't get me wrong I am all for sensible regulations, but we have to be able to compromise too.

Chris

Toparboring · Apr 30, 2006

When I lived in the Aderondacks for six years I saw the rules and regs come in and litterally shut down mills and logging comps. do to the preservation regs. For 3 years if it was not storm damage or on the ground you did not cut. If your comp. had 45,000$ to get the permits and DEC had gone over what you can cut maybe you could get some money going. I just got a letter from a friend up there and he finally got the premit to remove some home owners trees. I asked what he has beenn doing till then, he answered by working with the big orange. That is all he said(he does not like big orange)