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Boston,I like your sarcasm(I hope your being sarcastic!)

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What harm does PI, Eunoymous, English Ivy do to a tree? i was alwyas taught that these are symbiotic relationships?

Now bitter sweet and other circling/girdling vines......
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Boston,I like your sarcasm(I hope your being sarcastic!)

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What harm does PI, Eunoymous, English Ivy do to a tree? i was alwyas taught that these are symbiotic relationships?

Now bitter sweet and other circling/girdling vines......
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I don't think it's symbiotic, the tree gets no benefit from the ivy. It's not parasitic either though, more like competitive.
 
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Vines in trees are no good!

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Hahaha!

why are vines NO good? I see plenty of vines that have symbiotic relationships with trees.

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Symbiotic would infer that the tree receives something too...what does the tree receive?
 
Yes symbiotic isnt the word then. I guess they are neutral?

Certain vines seem to coexist, and just stick to the trunks. others seem to engulf the whole tree, snapping twigs, and gridling the tree. Some are good some are bad, IMO.
 
Vines protect trees from sunscald.

Vines are habitat for beneficial bird, insect and other associates.

Vines stabilize trees by providing mass dampening in wind and also by their guying :) forces.

That's just 3; there are more. ;)

Sure there can be downsides too but it is up to arborists to manage vines for their contributions. We are supposed to be woody plant experts and managers, not just tree climbers who are too easily aggravated when a vine gets in their way.
 
Thanks Guy! I was feeling like an idiot. I knew somewhere along the way in my studies I had leanred these facts about vines. I couldnt remember where, and not being able to back up facts, makes them fiction.



On a side note;

This is why I dont like the ISA, and MOST state tests. they focus on TREES only. which is fine. But like you said an Arborist is a woody expert. Trees, shrubs, vines, etc. The Mass. Certified Arborist exam covers all this with ID and in the body of the exam. We also include pests, and diseases in the ID and body. A well rounded Arborist should be knowledgeable in all these fields, IMO.
 
In the Pacific Northwest, English Ivy is a serious invasive. The state of Oregon classifies it as a noxious pest. I don't know about other states out here. I kills off trees, outcompetes native understory, offers little food or habitat to native wildlife, etc.

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Thanks Guy! I was feeling like an idiot.




But like you said an Arborist is a woody expert.



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OK, I'm passing on these because this thread should not be derailed... but thanks anyway!
 
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In the Pacific Northwest, English Ivy is a serious invasive. The state of Oregon classifies it as a noxious pest. I don't know about other states out here. I kills off trees, outcompetes native understory, offers little food or habitat to native wildlife, etc.

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[/ QUOTE ]Definitely there are bad actors in every region. I kill wisteria, kudzu and some others on sight, no questions asked (unless it's on a trellis). PI is enjoyed by several clients so I have learned to ask first, or differentiate contact areas from wild areas and manage accordingly. But the creepers and smilax and many others are ornamental with little cost and clear benefits, Definitely symbiotic with their props, the trees.

State lists have to be considered in context of regional, microclimate, management and client factors.

BB I'm proud to hear that MA tests on other woodies, and agree they need to get on ISA's radar, and off their diss list. I've pitched CEU and other article formats on managing plants that defy the tree/shrub dichotomy--ligustrum and waxmyrtle and photinia and many more in zone 7-- but no go so far.

Someone's gotta define it better in an outline before it will have a chance to get picked up. Got a little spare time?
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