Video: Quarter cut for Jedi warriors
- Thread starter Colin
- Start date
TreeCo
Carpal tunnel level member
[ QUOTE ]
If I push you, will you change? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forum/images/graemlins/pirate.gif
[/ QUOTE ]
Ed this is slightly off topic (of harassing Ekka I mean) but I've been on the U.K. Tree Care mailing list for a couple of months now. I'm surprised but I haven't yet seen any of the U.K. arborist I see here and at the Treehouse. Seems like a great resource. Maybe you are there under another name? There sure seems to be some knowledgable arborist there including several I know from the U.S.
If you have any queries regarding this list, then please write to
the list administrator:
mailto:uktc-admin@lists.tree-care.info.
If I push you, will you change? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forum/images/graemlins/pirate.gif
[/ QUOTE ]
Ed this is slightly off topic (of harassing Ekka I mean) but I've been on the U.K. Tree Care mailing list for a couple of months now. I'm surprised but I haven't yet seen any of the U.K. arborist I see here and at the Treehouse. Seems like a great resource. Maybe you are there under another name? There sure seems to be some knowledgable arborist there including several I know from the U.S.
If you have any queries regarding this list, then please write to
the list administrator:
mailto:uktc-admin@lists.tree-care.info.
i read it alot.....cant post everywhere though!! i think if it had more user friendly software i'd use it more
- Location
- Austin, TX
/forum/images/graemlins/boink.gif Pushing for change....ha!
Just waded through 7 pages. Funny stuff! /forum/images/graemlins/fruit.gif
Just waded through 7 pages. Funny stuff! /forum/images/graemlins/fruit.gif
[ QUOTE ]
If I push you, will you change? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forum/images/graemlins/pirate.gif
Now, can we get back to harrasing Ekka? /forum/images/graemlins/pirate.gif
[/ QUOTE ]
Ed, I think you need to change your <font color="blue">TONE</font>
If I push you, will you change? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forum/images/graemlins/pirate.gif
Now, can we get back to harrasing Ekka? /forum/images/graemlins/pirate.gif
[/ QUOTE ]
Ed, I think you need to change your <font color="blue">TONE</font>
- Location
- Home of the New Jersey Devils
Graeme,
That is highly unfortunate for the rest of the industry. It's rash judgements like that one that can really make our work more difficult and sometimes more dangerous. There have been a few laws passed here because of "expert" advice. Some are down right dangerous in the wrong scenario.
One logging rule here that bridged over to the arbo side is that you are required to clear everyone out of the area you are working before felling a tree or trunk. No one is allowed within a distance of two times the height of the tree. If you're felling a 130' Tulip, you might have to evacuate 3 houses in each direction. How do they allow us to escape this rule? Add a control line. Funny thing is, there's no set height minimum for the line installation. You could tie a line 10' high and be in complience. /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I'm not a fan of the whole "lanyard and climbing line for every cut" rule. There are some scenarios where the lanyard would have to be anchored around the limb that you're standing on or it might cause you to also be confined against a large trunk while doing a large crane removal or something.
That is highly unfortunate for the rest of the industry. It's rash judgements like that one that can really make our work more difficult and sometimes more dangerous. There have been a few laws passed here because of "expert" advice. Some are down right dangerous in the wrong scenario.
One logging rule here that bridged over to the arbo side is that you are required to clear everyone out of the area you are working before felling a tree or trunk. No one is allowed within a distance of two times the height of the tree. If you're felling a 130' Tulip, you might have to evacuate 3 houses in each direction. How do they allow us to escape this rule? Add a control line. Funny thing is, there's no set height minimum for the line installation. You could tie a line 10' high and be in complience. /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I'm not a fan of the whole "lanyard and climbing line for every cut" rule. There are some scenarios where the lanyard would have to be anchored around the limb that you're standing on or it might cause you to also be confined against a large trunk while doing a large crane removal or something.
- Location
- Australia
Mark, I agree with your post. In addition, I would add that some of the less practicle "experts" and trainers appear to gather rules from the learners handbook, and in a misguided way, project these as benchmarks for all industry practices. By doing so they seem to fail to recognize the purpose of entry level guidence, and the progression of skills that may follow.
The sad part is that the result of their contrabution in the courts and educating learners, puts doubt onto some normal, reasonable work practices.
Some examples are,
Never climb with only spurs and flip lines, you must always have a climbing line set above.
Never climb with any rope unless it is nylon.
Always have a climbing line installed above you, even when scarfing the head you are attached to.
Never use a vehicle to pull over a tree.
Never use ......... spurs because they are dangerous
Only use ..... ....... binners, nothing else is safe.
When putting in a scarf, always put in the sloping cut first.
So the latest ones of, always use wedges when falling, and always put in the textbook scarf, are just as narrow I suppose.
Where will it end? /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
The sad part is that the result of their contrabution in the courts and educating learners, puts doubt onto some normal, reasonable work practices.
Some examples are,
Never climb with only spurs and flip lines, you must always have a climbing line set above.
Never climb with any rope unless it is nylon.
Always have a climbing line installed above you, even when scarfing the head you are attached to.
Never use a vehicle to pull over a tree.
Never use ......... spurs because they are dangerous
Only use ..... ....... binners, nothing else is safe.
When putting in a scarf, always put in the sloping cut first.
So the latest ones of, always use wedges when falling, and always put in the textbook scarf, are just as narrow I suppose.
Where will it end? /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
great post graeme
- Location
- Hotaka, Japan
Some people are born educators, have a talent for it. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Some people go into teaching because of a desire to pass on skills to benefit. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
A lot of people go into teaching because they can't make it in industry as a worker. /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Some people go into teaching because of a desire to pass on skills to benefit. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
A lot of people go into teaching because they can't make it in industry as a worker. /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif
- Location
- Hotaka, Japan
Good attitude MB. I'd sign up for your class for sure, learn those knarly things you do.
[ QUOTE ]
I would like to teach when I can't do it anymore.
[/ QUOTE ]
And when do you think you'll hit the "cant do it anymore" zone?
I keep finding that as the years roll by that zone moves forward a bit and before you know it you'll be up their with ???(better not mention any names eh).
Over here to teach you must hold a qualification level equivalent to that of what you are going to teach, unless you are going to teach on a private basis not recognized by the National Training Authority.
The other problem is having people to teach. True, I dont see too many school kids putting arborist on their list, they'll never be as rich as a lawyer who cracks a big insurance case. Part of the idea of arborcamp here is to interest the kids in treework. There's this stigma that if you sweat or get dirty you have a chit job!
I would like to teach when I can't do it anymore.
[/ QUOTE ]
And when do you think you'll hit the "cant do it anymore" zone?
I keep finding that as the years roll by that zone moves forward a bit and before you know it you'll be up their with ???(better not mention any names eh).
Over here to teach you must hold a qualification level equivalent to that of what you are going to teach, unless you are going to teach on a private basis not recognized by the National Training Authority.
The other problem is having people to teach. True, I dont see too many school kids putting arborist on their list, they'll never be as rich as a lawyer who cracks a big insurance case. Part of the idea of arborcamp here is to interest the kids in treework. There's this stigma that if you sweat or get dirty you have a chit job!
