UK. Two ropes at all times(USA next?)

  • Thread starter Thread starter TC
  • Start date Start date
Two system always works. It's an extra step or two to protect a life and afford more comfort.
The push back is fuckin nuts.
O, 1,2 pts of contact, plus two systems and mb positioning lanyard, if one fails you live, if 2 fail u die
Ok it's not for you than fuck off it's for the newb who does make mistakes, the parent up all night w sick child, dude who got a bit to high etc.
Move on stop argueing and wasting time on negating the two system
 
Last edited:
Two ropes can be run just like one would run one rope. I can't recall a situation where two ropes just would simply not work. Slower, yes. A bit more tedious; yes. Unnecessary; probably. But never nonfunctional.
 
.

Here is my adaptation to run two ropes that makes organizing and operation two devices easier. I have a set up for my runners too but haven't made a video yet. I ran this in the work climb at international. It was a horrible run.
 
treebing said:
Two ropes can be run just like one would run one rope...
Click to expand...

It is not just two ropes and two climbing systems, but two independent anchor points as well.

Aside from the fact that as a climbing gear seller, who could potentially double his sales, what about all those climbers that still use MRS as a preference? Will they be safer and better served by this regulation?

I guess it would be better to just outlaw those too. In the name of safety of coarse.
 
Last edited:
I'll freely admit my conflict of interest here. I also do not agree with this regulation. However, it has been coming for a while now and over the past 6 years or so I have been working on accommodating, adapting.

Two anchor points is also not difficult and is one of the things I like about 2 ropes. I now regularly use TIPs that I would never use SRT because I now have a backup. That is probably not the intention of the regulation to allow climbers to move their system higher in the trees, but it has been a boon for me. With my system I can have separation at TIPs and unity at my harness up until a point. When the angles get far a part I need to operate the hitches or mechanicals separately.

At this point of time there are way more climbers in the world operating under regulations that do not allow for SRT and mandate moving rope systems. As far as I can tell, Few people complain.
 
Wrangler said:
At 8:00 in the morning when you’re about to climb a big tree it’s great,and pretty fun.At 4:00 in the afternoon when you have to climb a couple smallish trees to make 2 or 3 prunning cuts,it’s stupid. Set a rope clip on-go! No need to make it a bigger project, it’s a 15 minute job. We already have tools and meathods to do it safely! Its like you said DSMc “all the time “ is the problem!
Click to expand...
Woah, that is some long hours!
 
ppsavage said:
This is all just hypothetical and speculation for most of us, right? In all my years of arboring I never seen one government agency try to enforce safety regs on a tree worker which is one of the reasons I like this job.
Click to expand...

Danger is if there’s an incident and an investigation and the rules are applied to you as responsible for not mitigating an accident regardless of the cause....
 
RopeShield said:
Two system always works. It's an extra step or two to protect a life and afford more comfort.
The push back is fuckin nuts.
O, 1,2 pts of contact, plus two systems and mb positioning lanyard, if one fails you live, if 2 fail u die
Ok it's not for you than fuck off it's for the newb who does make mistakes, the parent up all night w sick child, dude who got a bit to high etc.
Move on stop argueing and wasting time on negating the two system
Click to expand...
Roughly put but i agree with the part about the newb. This is probably great for aclimating new climbers
 
DSMc said:
Willingly giving up the ability to regulate your own safety by excepting a poorly written regulation, is "fuckin nuts".
Click to expand...
It has to start somewhere and that somewhere is preventing more deaths. Holy crap the denial and ignorance is incomprehensible and at a minimum murderous. Keep your opinion to yourself it only promotes more death and injury.
Like Rico who wouldn't at a time wear a helmet. People do what they do just keep a terrible practice to yourself and leave at that.
Regulation is left to those who look at the big pic with out bias. To save lives and prevent injury of those less competent, practice, knowledge in an industry that is lawless.
 
RopeShield said:
Two system always works. It's an extra step or two to protect a life and afford more comfort.
The push back is fuckin nuts.
O, 1,2 pts of contact, plus two systems and mb positioning lanyard, if one fails you live, if 2 fail u die
Ok it's not for you than fuck off it's for the newb who does make mistakes, the parent up all night w sick child, dude who got a bit to high etc.
Move on stop argueing and wasting time on negating the two system
Click to expand...
Man.
So many dumb things there...

I can't think of an easier way to make a man hate climbing than to wrap him in another rope that he doesn't have the prowess to manage. One rope will always hold you, a swing can always be mitigated, and a solid anchor is easy to guarantee. I'll spend 10 minutes ensuring that the greenhorn uses a good TIP rather than letting him fight a clusterfucked spiderweb all day without my supervision.
I will stop arguing when people stop telling me how to get to work.
 
Chaplain242 said:
Danger is if there’s an incident and an investigation and the rules are applied to you as responsible for not mitigating an accident regardless of the cause....
Click to expand...
I get that for outfits with employees but I fly solo. I am ready to assume full responsibility for whatever goes down while I'm working in trees.
 
SomethingWitty said:
Man.
So many dumb things there...

I can't think of an easier way to make a man hate climbing than to wrap him in another rope that he doesn't have the prowess to manage. One rope will always hold you, a swing can always be mitigated, and a solid anchor is easy to guarantee. I'll spend 10 minutes ensuring that the greenhorn uses a good TIP rather than letting him fight a clusterfucked spiderweb all day without my supervision.
I will stop arguing when people stop telling me how to get to work.
Click to expand...
Yeah but he’ll feel like Superman first time he sheds that extra gear
 
treebing said:
I'll freely admit my conflict of interest here. I also do not agree with this regulation. However, it has been coming for a while now and over the past 6 years or so I have been working on accommodating, adapting.
Click to expand...

It absolutely is not a given.


treebing said:
Two anchor points is also not difficult and is one of the things I like about 2 ropes. I now regularly use TIPs that I would never use SRT because I now have a backup...
Click to expand...

Not exactly a safe work practice, is it? I am sure others will try this, too. How much safer will this be making the newbies?

treebing said:
At this point of time there are way more climbers in the world operating under regulations that do not allow for SRT and mandate moving rope systems. As far as I can tell, Few people complain.
Click to expand...

You missed my point on this. Using two ropes and systems in SRS takes thought. Using 2 complete MRS systems in every tree, all the time, with their requirements when a redirect is needed, will not be making things safer.

We already have well thought-out safety regulations in our ANSIs. If they were followed, there would be fewer accidents and deaths. Adding more regulations will probably not increase compliance, let alone an understanding of what is dangerous and what is not.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

New threads New posts

Kask Stihl NORTHEASTERN Arborists Wesspur TreeStuff.com Teufelberger Westminster X-Rigging Teufelberger
Back
Top Bottom