Trees from a distance

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OK...so not F. americana - right? I looked it up and have to admit, I wouldn't have gotten that without some help.
Well, yes and no. Rather than dragging this out longer, here's the answer. So whether you decide to call this Americana or Biltmoreana is a debate that is above my pay grade. I picked this one because initially it is easy but not easy to be exact about.
 

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Nailed it! I can’t help loving these trees, especially the more unique ones
They are in my top ten! Have scores of them growing in the holler here. Seen them thrive in deep shade and mostly sunny spots too. We should be planting more of them!

Give me a few days to get back with something for the thread.
 
Why take them out in the woods?
They really don't do much towards most landowner goals...very little wildlife benefit, no timber potential. They can form dense pockets making it difficult for other, more desirable trees, to have the resources they need to grow. Same with Ostrya (which tends to be worse)...but Carprinus stays in wet areas.
 
They really don't do much towards most landowner goals...very little wildlife benefit, no timber potential. They can form dense pockets making it difficult for other, more desirable trees, to have the resources they need to grow. Same with Ostrya (which tends to be worse)...but Carprinus stays in wet areas.
Interesting perspective…

They are host to 49 insects, which isn’t too shabby. Nothing close to the hundreds of insects oaks support, but way more than, say liriodendron. A fantastic edge habitat tree in my opinion.


The insect population is, from what I’ve been reading, a really important indicator as to the amount of food that a plant community is really producing, since bugs are the groundwork for the food web (birds eat bugs, medium mammals eat birds, and so on)

Mick have you effed around with coppicing and hedging? Lots of really talented practitioners in your neck of the woods.
 
Oak, hickory, beech, walnut, cherry, hard maple, and (formerly) ash, also make great firewood... If left to grow to maturity they also offer valuable timber. The first few offer hard mast for wildlife as well.

It's not so much that Carprinus is "bad" (not a non-native invasive, for example) - just less desirable than many other trees. When managing a forest, we allocate resources based on landowner objectives. There aren't enough resources to grow everything so we thin out the trees that are competition with more desirable. Even if firewood is a primary management goal there are species that will give more cords (or BTUs, if you prefer) per acre over the long haul while also offering other values for wildlife and timber.
 
Interesting perspective…

They are host to 49 insects, which isn’t too shabby. Nothing close to the hundreds of insects oaks support, but way more than, say liriodendron. A fantastic edge habitat tree in my opinion.


Mick have you effed around with coppicing and hedging? Lots of really talented practitioners in your neck of the woods.
Not really, but see enough coppicing, mostly sweet chestnut and black locust here in France for fence posts, firewood etc.
Works well for wildlife as periodically the forest floor is exposed to sunlight allowing different insects and flora to move in.
Then as the regrowth and bramble make it impenetrable to man allowing boar and deer a refuge during the day, then it matures till harvesting, mostly by machine these days of course.
Back in Sussex (England) the hornbeam coppice from where I originated was mostly overstood since the Second World War.

Hedge laying is coming back into vogue in the UK, I follow a few guys on social media, rewarding work but requires all the qualities that I lack, attention to detail, willingness to work in bad weather etc.
Never seen it in France.
 

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