Treemotion, again....

KS,

early days to be talking about that yet. Let's say it's an option. I could tell you more, but I'd have to kill you after having done so.

We'll be keeping you posted - probably the better option of the two.

Regards,

M.
 
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I get confused with TM, TM. TreeMotion, TreeMagic

Are you saying that you wont climb on the treemotion, however you like your bfly1, but the treemagic is a comfortable saddle?
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Sorry for being a little unclear. I'm saying that it's treemotion all the way from here :)
 

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Climbed in my new tree Motion,totally custimized it.Its really nice so far.climb around in Tom Ds tree flex for a week, a good saddle also.I chose the motion because I thought it had a little more versatility.The tree flex has a really nice back support and great positions for accessories.Also not mention the the srt attachment was really nice.The Tree Flex is well thought out.But I really liked the balance of the tree Motion and the greater range of mobility (I felt).I have a tendency to keep my leg straps really loose and the treemotion still stays pretty low(below my stomach)Also the customization factor sealed it for me.Both really good saddles I think both have alot of positives,I wish I could have both.Will see in a month but for now I think my tree motion is great.But I really dont have any exagerated expectations, I got to do the climbing!
 
I climbed on a B'Fly II for almost 3 years. It is a good saddle but I find my Treemotion to be better!!!


Face it, saddles are a very personal thing, just like one's choice in women!


If you are fortunate enough to get a climb on different saddles before your purchase.........kudos to you!


I have no complaints about the B'Fly II............I just think the Treemotion is better...........even for the price difference!!!
 
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And one other issue I had which only happened once (while on the ground thankfully).... the buckle release buttons are potentially dangerous.
While wearing the harness on the ground I bent over to pick something up from the ground, the waist buckle got pinched between my stomach and groin area and fully released from the pressure exerted. The waist buckle completly opened up on me, which was a bit scary. What if i had been 60' up a tree and bent over in the same manner?

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This is the second post about this issue that I am aware of on TB. TreeFlex uses the same buckles (as do many other harnesses). One response stated that the reason was because only one clip had been engaged properly.

For those that have these buckles on their harness, it can be found that; (1) the buckles are difficult to engage only one clip and (2) if only one side is clipped, it cannot come out until the second clip has engaged, and both clips are pushed simultaneously.

This means that the buckle release you have noted, can only occur when pressing both tabs at the same time. It seems this is possible by bending forward, causing clothing to push the clips at the same time. It isn't clear if this is easier with the 22mm buckles than it is with the 44mm version in this position.

Please note for those concerned, that TreeFlex uses the 44mm version on the outside of the leg loops only and not on the waist.
 
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Tockmal,

nothing like a well founded, balanced opinion. Thanks for sharing your valuable insight.

Regards,

Mark.

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I just said it looks rubbish, thats all.

Its probably a reasonably good harness for work.

Incidently...why is it only rated a 100kg safe working load?

Surely that figure will be exceeded on numerous occasions throughout your working day. Say you weigh 95kg, have a Stihl ms46 clipped onto your harness as well as other assorted gear which takes you over the 100kg mark and you decide to descend reasonably quickly on your friction hitch.......if you come to a sudden halt surely the dynamic force on the harness will far exceed 100kg?

Why 100kg?

Many treeworkers weigh over 100kg.
 
Because if you look in the standards all testing is done with a 100kg dummy.

We decided - with the manufacturer - to quote this weight because we can make a statement about it based on testing. Of course the harness won't blow apart if you are over 100kg, but from the dimension of the back pad it will start to be a bit of a squeeze.

Having said that I have heard from people using the harness who are big folk, for whom it still seems to work. That's what it boils down to, I suppose. Give it a spin and see if it suits your build and climbing style.

And don't just look at pictures to form an opinion.
 
Granted, you have to have an initial weight (100kg) to test with, but why 100kg?

On a large rigging/removal job you might have a
Husqvarna 385xp...weighs about 7.5 kgs, add a rigging block and sling-2kgs some climbing hardware-1kg, the trailing end of your climbing line and possibly the rigging bullrope (if your moving to another rigging anchor point) maybe about 10 kgs worth or more if your at a height of 80ft. All this weight added to your body weight say 95 kgs takes you to around the 120kg mark. See what I'm saying?

Maybe the testing criteria needs changed to suit treeclimbing?

I've no doubt that the treemotion can withstand the 120kgs and a lot more, but it seems that for the climbers piece of mind when he/she reads the label it would be far more inspiring to see 'working load should not exceed 150kg'.

I look forward to trying the treemotion. 'Rubbish' was used in a Luddite way. I'm a born cynic, sorry.
 
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Granted, you have to have an initial weight (100kg) to test with, but why 100kg?


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Because that is the mass of the test dummy as defined by the EN test standards.

Luddite is OK for me.
 
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Granted, you have to have an initial weight (100kg) to test with, but why 100kg?


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Because that is the mass of the test dummy as defined by the EN test standards.

Luddite is OK for me.

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Just curious, what the hell do the EN people know about treeclimbing equipment?

Luddite...yes...I would now like to formally retract my 'rubbish' statement as a true Luddite would support the use of a harness over a MEWP any day of the week.

Viva la Motion!!!
 
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Just curious, what the hell do the EN people know about treeclimbing equipment?



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That in itself is a very interesting question, Tockmal. What indeed? It's where the concept of "fit for purpose" comes into play.

It's not just about whether an item of equipment is certified and conforms to a certain test set-up, one also has to consider how the equipment is configured, whether it was designed to be used in this fashion and how it interacts with the other elements in the system.

Rigid adherence to testing and standards can develop an own dynamic leading to some very bizarre conclusions. Ideally one should be looking at both aspects (i.e. fit for purpose and certification) in a balanced fashion.
 
Treeclimbing harnesses are subject to more stress and inadvertant abuse than any other form of harness out there.

There should be specialist tests by the safety standards people.

Maybe IKEA could get involved, I hear they go to great lengths to ensure their chairs stand the test of time.

I will approach IKEA about the use of their mechanical chair testing devices and see if they would be interested in applying these techniques to harness testing.

I think that would be a great IKEA.
 
John.........well gee...now Ive stayed awake for two nights just thinking about your problem. Since I'm the one who sold you the dam thing, I feel sooooo bad. But I have a solution!!

You just bring your skinny, topheavy, body to Burnsville and I'll gladly "give" you $100.00 for it.!!!

Hows that! Am I great or what?

Hummm, now wheres that old Weaver I had???
 
my problem with the treemotion is how hard it is to buy a replacement bridge for it, my bridge is looking a bit weary and every time i go on sherrill they still dont have them in which forces me to look else where for the rope bridge, my crews favorite thing about the treemotion is the fact that i can take the pads out and wash em every once in a while, nothing like the fresh sent of febreeze to perk up a ground crew
 
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my problem with the treemotion is how hard it is to buy a replacement bridge for it, my bridge is looking a bit weary and every time i go on sherrill they still dont have them in which forces me to look else where for the rope bridge, my crews favorite thing about the treemotion is the fact that i can take the pads out and wash em every once in a while, nothing like the fresh sent of febreeze to perk up a ground crew

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I actually cut my bridge too short. I made a new one out of "Blaze" climbing rope!!!
 
I suspect that most folks over time will use whatever rope is handy to use as a bridge for this saddle.

I am sure that the designers have accounted for this, as most tree workers are adept at using what is at hand to solve such problems.
 
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I am sure that the designers have accounted for this, as most tree workers are adept at using what is at hand to solve such problems.

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Read the manual and see for your self Frans. I don't think this is quite right.
 
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I am sure that the designers have accounted for this, as most tree workers are adept at using what is at hand to solve such problems.

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Read the manual and see for your self Frans. I don't think this is quite right.

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So are we saying that a rope (Blaze in this case) that is rated and meant to climb on is not OK for a Bridge on the Treemotion saddle.
 
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