Taz Lov2 defective?

Rick Teinert

Rick Teinert

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Has anybody had any issues with the Taz Lov2? I bought this device a while ago with an 11mm edelrid to run it on. I have not been able to make one smooth ascent on this device. Speed is definitely out the window with this thing. It drags on the rope and I have to force it upwards. When I load the device after ascent, it makes an ugly popping or crackling sound. I thought maybe the edelrid wasn't a true 11mm and purchased an 11mm KMIII Max. Same result. Excess drag on ascent, and an ugly noise while loading. It seems to descend fine. I have contacted Taz3d and they claim that this is the first case of them hearing of a defect with this device. They asked for photos of my setup. I've sent them photos and am waiting for further response. Any thoughts or ideas are appreciated. Thanks
 
In all fairness, every OEM is going to have a few lemons slip through... it might just be some guy on the production line had to blow his nose and a bad one went by. All of the belay/descender type devices I own (I don't have the TAZ) have drag on ascent. But, that noise... that just doesn't sound right.
 
JeffGu said:
In all fairness, every OEM is going to have a few lemons slip through... it might just be some guy on the production line had to blow his nose and a bad one went by. All of the belay/descender type devices I own (I don't have the TAZ) have drag on ascent. But, that noise... that just doesn't sound right.
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The drag is significant. It pulls my chest harness down and I have to grab the device and manually push it up. I understand there will be a few lemons. My other devices tend nicely. I know the TAZ is used in competition for the ascent event. I'm thinking if their devices had this much drag on it, they wouldn't be using them for the ascent event. I definitely do not like that noise when loading.
 
Yeah, I haven't had a TAZ2 in my hands, but I do remember seeing others mention that it works good as an SRT multicender, so that sounds out of whack, too. Almost has to be a defect, I'd think. Is there anything obvious? A cracked cam or anything? You would think with those symptoms, there would be something that looks all wrong.

Let us know what they say after seeing your pics. I'd be interested in knowing how they are about taking care of their customers.
 
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JeffGu said:
Yeah, I haven't had a TAZ2 in my hands, but I do remember seeing others mention that it works good as an SRT multicender, so that sounds out of whack, too. Almost has to be a defect, I'd think. Is there anything obvious? A cracked cam or anything? You would think with those symptoms, there would be something that looks all wrong.

Let us know what they say after seeing your pics. I'd be interested in knowing how they are about taking care of their customers.
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I cannot find any obvious damage or defects. Device is pretty solid all around and descends fine. I expect to hear from Taz3d on Monday. Hopefully they will make it right. It's in pretty much new condition as I've only tried it a few times and didn't like the way it performed and felt as if it was defective.
 
CanadianStan said:
Are you loading the rope the right way?

Mine is virtually frictionless on ascent

How is it while descending ?
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Am I loading the rope the right way? After 16 years of climbing, If I'm not loading it the right way then I should quit. Wouldn't you think? I've got multiple devices that are virtually frictionless. There is definitely an issue with this device. I was just curious if anybody else had any issues.
 
Rick Teinert said:
Am I loading the rope the right way? After 16 years of climbing, If I'm not loading it the right way then I should quit. Wouldn't you think? I've got multiple devices that are virtually frictionless. There is definitely an issue with this device. I was just curious if anybody else had any issues.
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I'm not here to judge mate, we all goof things up sometimes.

So the ascent is rough ... How's the descent ?
 
CanadianStan said:
I'm not here to judge mate, we all goof things up sometimes.

So the ascent is rough ... How's the descent ?
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You are right. I'm just a bit frustrated with this thing is all. The device almost wants to grab during ascent. Descent is ok I think. A bit bouncy and compared to another Taz, it's not as smooth.
 
Is it brand new rope you’re using?
A lot of mechanical devices ain’t happy with new rope. Just washing some new Fly made a huge improvement on how it ran on the Akimbo.
 
Any updates? I'm looking hard at my next purchase being a TAZ lov2 so I'd especially like to hear about how your communication with the company went and what the final outcome ends up being.
 
Cereal_Killer said:
Any updates? I'm looking hard at my next purchase being a TAZ lov2 so I'd especially like to hear about how your communication with the company went and what the final outcome ends up being.
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I sent video of the setup as well as ascension showing the drag on the device to Taz3d. They called me directly to discuss the issue and afterwards agreed that the device was not operating properly. This was the first time of them hearing about or seeing drag on this device. They definitely stand behind their product. I should receive a new device this week sometime.
 
I received the new Taz Lov2 today. After inspection, I see no differences between the two that would affect performance. I'll probably try it out tomorrow. There are a few differences aesthetically like the coating and the rope path line. Also I found that the little black cam is removable/replaceable on the older model and is riveted in place on the newer model.
 

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I have had some time to test out the new Tazlov2 that was sent to me from Taz3d in France. Initially, the device acted the same as the original. Taking Jonny's advice, I washed my ropes(they were brand new), and used them on multiple climbs and tried the devices out again. Both devices are functioning flawlessly on ascent and descent. I have never had issues with mechanical devices and new ropes but I guess the Taz doesn't like new lines when out of the box. Since I have two properly functioning devices and only need one, I am going to sell one. I will post on Treebay but if anyone is interested, feel free to message with an offer. Thanks.
 
Rick Teinert said:
I have had some time to test out the new Tazlov2 that was sent to me from Taz3d in France. Initially, the device acted the same as the original. Taking Jonny's advice, I washed my ropes(they were brand new), and used them on multiple climbs and tried the devices out again. Both devices are functioning flawlessly on ascent and descent. I have never had issues with mechanical devices and new ropes but I guess the Taz doesn't like new lines when out of the box. Since I have two properly functioning devices and only need one, I am going to sell one. I will post on Treebay but if anyone is interested, feel free to message with an offer. Thanks.
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Can someone (you?) explain the difference between new ropes and new-washed-ropes? A week ago, I picked up some Marlow Vega and noticed it was super-waxy and, of course, lacked any fuzz. Still works great, no issues there, but as to the context of this thread, I'd think that a new rope would offer less friction than a used/washed/de-waxed rope. Wild!

Thanks for documenting this, @Rick_Teinert.
 
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