Swivel

You gunna use it to make money? If yes, then I recommend you spend a bit to get quality. Not to mention the ability to stream line your lanyard set up

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DMM Nexus Compact Swivel

The DMM Nexus is a compact, hot-forged swivel designed for use at junctions where torsion needs management. A high-quality internal bearing ensures smooth and reliable rotation, while the tex
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I have a knock off swivel and some cheap pinto clone pulleys, and I don't trust them with my life.
Maybe they'll work up to a point, but is it really worth the few bucks you might save?
Compared to the ones I can get from the reputable tree gear suppliers, I prefer name brands over cheap knock offs any day. For non-life-bearing uses its fine, but when you see how quickly they wear out and how they fail, you'll might think twice. I'm also skeptical when it comes to the integrity of the ratings on a lot of these cheap knockoffs.
 
TallTreeClimber said:
I use them for rigging non critical applications as well.
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Not trying to be argumentative, but I consider rigging a critical application. That's why I am rigging. Failure of life support gear, while it happens, can almost always be attributed to low maintenance or poor application with a few notable exceptions. However, "brand new" rigging gear gets shattered quite often as the loads are higher and experience levels "fluctuate."

Quality gear always pay for itself. Rec climber or professional, save your pennies get good reputable gear, use it wisely.

Tony
 
Ya I have a black diamond swivel that is almost exactly the same looking from afar but it's rated 26kn and cost twice as much
 
And BD doesn't really encourage it for life support if I'm not mistaken. I think the tech notice on it says it's meant for hauling gear up big walls and that if using for life support they encourage using 2 carabiners. So that makes me wonder about loading it like we do the dmm axxis swivels
 
Being a machinist most of my life, I tend to look at anything like these swivels with x-ray vision. Most of them have a surprisingly slender inner shaft. They look very beefy on the outside but the actual spindle between the two halves is not all that big. On the ZigZag, for instance, you can see this since the spindle is exposed and not encircled with bearings or housing. Also, the halves of the swivels are often just held together with a rather small cross pin. Now, I don't mean to sound like I am casting doubt on the load ratings. I am sure these are thoroughly tested, at least by the reputable, better known companies. It is simply a personal feeling of misgiving I have, from my own life basically depending on my various gear. I remember noticing how skinny the spindle on the ZigZag swivel was and I simply could not bring myself to hang from it at any considerable height! I bypass it with a biner through the hole beside it and just forget the swivel. With my other swivels, I use a safety strap, a short webbing sling, rigged past it which would catch me if the swivel let go. I can still spin quite a bit on the swivel since this strap is not tight, but it would catch me before I dropped more than a foot or so. I confess some of my concern stems from me simply being quite a bit heavier than I was when younger. I weigh about 185 now instead of the 140 pounds I was most of my life, and I can certainly feel the unpleasant difference when climbing. And I think we tend to get more cautious as we approach our elder years, taking less risks, more mindful of our mortality. Anyway, the internal neck of these swivels just seems to me like a weak link in the overall chain of a climbing system, but I am perfectly happy to be proved wrong.
 
Mowerr said:
And BD doesn't really encourage it for life support if I'm not mistaken. I think the tech notice on it says it's meant for hauling gear up big walls and that if using for life support they encourage using 2 carabiners. So that makes me wonder about loading it like we do the dmm axxis swivels
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Can’t speak for the others, but the dmm nexus is designed to be loaded with multiple connections.

Tony
 
did you save enough money to pay for your insurance deductible? LOL
There's enough things to be concerned with at height... life support gear isn't gonna be one of them.
I have no idea about this particular product but I would never trust critical gear from Chinese or off brand manufacturers .. remember, these are the same people who made poison pet food.
 
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Ya black diamond uses those Y.F.S. Bolts with the torque rating on them. Same bolts idc uses on rope wrench and I believe they use on the hitch hiker and other devices...I have no idea what an L labeled bolt is
 
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