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I've been using the search option to try and find a thread on the swabisch, with no matches found.

Anyone know where I can find one.

I want to know about positioning of the slack tender/fair lead micro pulley, and how to minimise the distance between the pulley and the hitch.

I use a 5 wrap swabisch on my flipline/lanyard and a 4 wrap swabisch on my lifeline, both with pulleys.

I find these knots are working very well, I usually use the Blakes, but I am slowly being convinced by the Swabisch.

As the swabisch is an assymetrical knot I position the pulley to the right of the two ends of the hitch on the biner with a mini keyring biner(allows for twisting).

This is fine for the flipline, apart from the sit back effect. I want to lose the sit back effect in both lanyard and lifeline.

How can I do this, without resorting to any mechanical devices but keep the knot working well?

Anyone know any other setup options with this hitch?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Grover I started out with the eye using this hitch and if you try something more symmetrical like the VT you'll fall in love with it and not look back. I just run the micro pulley between the two eyes on the carabiner. I hook into one eye and then slide my micro pulley over the climbing line and then the biner through that and then finish it up with the other eye.
 
I like a brass swivel snap over a key biner for holding a slack tender. Mainly because of the swiveling aspect. Either that or the pulley directly on the triple locking biner as PUClimber described.

Some sort of secondary connector to the slack tender will reduce the amount of slop in your system since the pulley will be closer to your hitch.

Try the Rich H's Anchor Bridge system for maximum efficiency.
 
When I use a swabisch I use a petzl fixe pulley straight to biner with an eye on either side. Very little slop in the system. Tenex burns up fast for my liking, easy to splice and make a bag full though.
 
PU climber, tried the VT a few years back for about 4 months it was ok but the working part of the knot becomes too long like when your need to get close to the spar on a vertical section i prefer the shortened blakes or short swabisch. Also I dont like the open knotted nature of the VT, suppose I just never got totally comfortable with it.

Ken Saw, Rich H's anchor bridge system? Where can i see this?

N biv, I tried the eye on each side of the pulley direct to biner, it worked but just it looks wrong, i might try it again.

What I really want is to get the pulley as near to the knot as possible to eliminate the sit back effect.

Thanks for the response
 
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I've been using the search option to try and find a thread on the swabisch, with no matches found.


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grover;

Go to the Articles section of TreeBuzz and look at the article titled "An Overview of Climbing Hitches" (near the bottom of the page. It is a printable PDF with description and photos of the Schwabisch, Vt, et al.


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As the swabisch is an assymetrical knot I position the pulley to the right of the two ends of the hitch on the biner with a mini keyring biner(allows for twisting).

This is fine for the flipline, apart from the sit back effect. I want to lose the sit back effect in both lanyard and lifeline.

How can I do this, without resorting to any mechanical devices but keep the knot working well?

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Eliminate the keychain 'biner putting the micro-pulley directly on the double (not triple) locking biner, and make the legs of the hitch as short as possible.
 
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PU climber, tried the VT a few years back for about 4 months it was ok but the working part of the knot becomes too long like when your need to get close to the spar on a vertical section i prefer the shortened blakes or short swabisch. Also I dont like the open knotted nature of the VT, suppose I just never got totally comfortable with it.


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Don't mean to turn this into trying to convince you of a differnt knot, but I used the swabisch for a while and liked it except for what you are describing, also I like the streamline affect of having the pulley connected direct to the carabiner, between the eye's of the split tail.

I really like the distel hitch, it's one of those covered on the article mahk is talking about. I used four - five wraps up and then a knut (I believe it's called??) below, it's almost exactly like a swabisch but the tail twists around the line in the opposite direction, and it allows you to put the pulley between the two eyes instead of having another piece of hardware to connect... if not sold I think the idea of mahk's about shortening the length of your split tail will make a big difference... good luck and maybe post some pics!

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To minimize the sit-back effect (i like that term...it makes sense), I tie my distel with a super short eye-eye sling....maybe 21 or 22 inches. That usually leaves just an extra inch or so to adjust.

What sort of slings are you using?

Even when I occasionall use the Schwabisch, I still put one leg of the hitch on either side of the pulley.

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i like Icicle, very, very close to tieing a Schwab; only a small flip near end before reeving tails through. And Icicle is fairly self tending.

Might try different search terms/ spellings.
 
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Even when I occasionall use the Schwabisch, I still put one leg of the hitch on either side of the pulley.



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duh, I never thought of that! I guess you could have the schwabisch tied inline with the pulley without having to have additional hardware...
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Even when I occasionall use the Schwabisch, I still put one leg of the hitch on either side of the pulley.



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duh, I never thought of that! I guess you could have the schwabisch tied inline with the pulley without having to have additional hardware...
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That's what I was getting at when I said to eliminate the keychain carabiner. You can also put the pulley on one or the other side of the legs of the split tail.


And Grover, Spydey is right, try a search with the spelling 'schwabisch'.
 
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