Sub-contractijng while working for a company

Right on the money there humper...

It is the employee with the entreprenurial mindset that not only does well for him/herself but also for the company and their fellow employees. By approaching thier work as meeting a customer's(read employer's) needs they become much more valuable to themselves and the company and will benefit more in the long run.

I'm still not sure I would use the phrase "hiring the employer" though, simply because I just can't wrap my brain around the corollary idea of "Hiring" my customer to provide a tree for me to work in.

Certainly the employer/employee relationship should be one of mutual beneficial trade and in that regard I suppose a mutual "hiring" can occur.
 
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In this the employer needs to be flexible with his schedule and not expect you to drop a commitment to someone else when he finally does call.

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I agree that it needs to go both ways. What I meant was that if the employer is still your main source of employment and paying your benifits and all, then if the boss says we will be working Monday-Wednesday next week, then that should take precedence.
 
Exactly Mark, as long as that call is not Sunday night.
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The employee should make the call to the boss as soon as he has to schedule a job so he can let him know at the earliest point that he's planning some work. This way there can be no conflict without it first being discussed.

Actually RF, "qualifying" your client, i.e., do they subscribe to my work practices or are they demanding I do something that conflicts with my professional ethics, is this the type of work I want to be seen doing, is a form of "hiring" the customer.

Or we'll just have to find a more appropriate word to describe the relationship... anyone?
 
I have to line up w the big guy on this! Hey if your going independent great!! Do it this is America. However if your a classic employee of a company then it is a little different?! reasonable people should be able to work out the details??!!
What we need to leave at the door my fellow tree people is our egos? We should make an effort to understand each others rolls?
 
Understanding each others' role is the crux of the matter. wouldn't it be good if a part of the orientation a new employee participates in included a defining of the roles each person plays in the company, from the owner on down to the groundies?
 
Seems to me that if you're working for an outfit fulltime and they are trying to keep you busy, doing side jobs when you are slow just doesn't fit the cowboy way. A fellow ought to get a commission for bringing the work in, if the outfit doesn't want to do it, then it's fair game.
 
While working in Toronto that is exactly how I did it. I didn't like to work as an independent contractor as I had an obligation to grow my business or else risk being assessed by Revenue Canada as an employee. That put me at odds with my employer.

I feel the same here. If I have work in my employer's territory then it should go to them with a commission coming to me for bringing in the business. However, I do expect the client to be treated with the prompt attention and not left to wonder when they'll be called.
 
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