Stein RC2000 FLoating LD

Reg,

Thanks for answering... Why wouldnt I be serious? I watched all the content on the RC1000-2000 and 3000 series that I could find but didnt see any application for the pretensioning pulley. The comment about 'reaallll' trees was in response to Brians friendly quip about how we only have 'small' trees.

The main reasons I am looking at the RC2000 is its increased WLL and the apparent ease of rope-on, rope-off. I hate getting my fingers pinched using a porta wrap when the guy taking of the knot or the climber pulls on the line. I wasnt originally considering the pretension pulley as we have GRCS's availiable to us for when we need to lift etc.
 
Alright you guys, I'm getting my RC2000 out again. The chief complaint was that the groundies had to almost 'push' the lowering line into it. I immediately suspected it was for larger material but I may not have looked close enough at it's application. It hasn't seen action in over a year now but it's time to get it out. Thanks.
 
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The chief complaint was that the groundies had to almost 'push' the lowering line into it.

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When I brought my RADS device into work one day the guys complained about how they had to 'push' rope too. After thinking about that for a while I figured out the problem.

When I used it with my former crew we used half inch double braid that wasn't coated. The guys where I used to work used Dyna-Sorb. The DS seems to have a coating, maybe not. What I realized was that the texture and hand of the rope was different. More surface friction with the DS. It takes a little time to adjust to the personality of each lowering device.

If the ground crew isn't willing, or able, to try some slight variations they won't be able to appreciate how new things function.

Changes in work practices come hard. Changes in wages come easy though. Why is that?
 
I already have a porta wrap and cant decide if I should buy the RC2000 for a second LD, or a bunch of misc equipment that I dont need either! :) I have around $350 to play with and already have another $130 item picked out.
 
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Reg,

I hate getting my fingers pinched using a porta wrap when the guy taking of the knot or the climber pulls on the line.

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Just tell him to pay attention and wait a second. The portawrap has been around for a long time for good reason....and obviously works just the same as the stein in regards to pre-loading and lifting gadgets.
 
No offense reg but nick cut it to the bone and tell them to buy you a goods. Tell them it is basically a backyard crane. tell them to call bob meoak in nashville and ask him Bout the production increase. They have it athorized in the davey catalog. By the way who makes that triple thick hoodie with the long John material? I want to get some for my men.
 
We have 2 GRCS devices in our shop, an older one and one of the updated ones. I dont really like the goods for everyday lowering. I appreciate what it can do for sure, but its much better suited for lifting than it is for repeat, all day lowering. Besides if I wasnt going to use it for lifting I surely wouldnt lug it out of the truck and set it up.
 
Well I am pretty sure I am going to get one, it will be nice to have the LG PW and the RC2K. In all likelihood the RC will be my primary device and the PW for a backup or when I need two ropes run.

I will report back.

Thanks for all the info everyone.
 
If your having a problem with the goods running you need to take bigger pieces and do rapid slack removal technique. But hey whatever floats your boat. Personally I own two POWs and a goods; I haven't put a pow on a tree in a year or so for lowering. I use the heck out of them for attaching rope to equipment or making ma though. I really like the bollard for bombing blocks; it's so smooth..... Takes some practice I could see it being a pain on a davey rig with only two dudes n a chipper. We only have three on our crew and I will centrally locate the grcs and put a block above it to fair lead the rope
 
For a ground sling I was thinking 5/8 tenex with a MBS @ 16,900. Should I go to 3/4 at 22,300 MBS? I guess with a 5:1 safety factor 3/4's is more inine with the WLL of the RC2000.


ABS is 18,800 and 24,800 respectively.
 
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For a ground sling I was thinking 5/8 tenex with a MBS @ 16,900. Should I go to 3/4 at 22,300 MBS? I guess with a 5:1 safety factor 3/4's is more inine with the WLL of the RC2000.


ABS is 18,800 and 24,800 respectively.

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It depends on how you're other lines and slings match up if you're going by the book Nick. Most people prefer the actual rigging line to be the weakest link.

From memory I dont think the 2000 was ever tested to destruction, but went up to something like 13 tons with no apparent distortion. Yet because of the bend radius on the barrel we recommend a 5/8 as the max. It'll take a 3/4 just fine, but you wont get the max strength out of such a line.

with all that said I always choose a bigger sling for the ground anchor....because regardless of strength, the day-to-day wear and tear doesn't become an issue so soon. Same reason I'd choose a double braid over tennex.
 
Thanks Reg, I was considering using a double braid but I can splice tenex myself.

I will probly go with the 3/4's ground sling.

I, like most people I think, have always used a large PW without a care as to the WLL or max rope size. I believe that most users would never question the PW as the weak link. This is one of the biggest reasons I want to upgrade to the RC2000. Do you know off hand the barrel diameter of the PW, the rc2000 is 3" I know that, and I want to say a PW is1-1/2" or 2"?

BTW I just saw they are out of stock at treestuff, is that just temporary?
 
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Thanks Reg, I was considering using a double braid but I can splice tenex myself.

I will probly go with the 3/4's ground sling.

I, like most people I think, have always used a large PW without a care as to the WLL or max rope size. I believe that most users would never question the PW as the weak link. This is one of the biggest reasons I want to upgrade to the RC2000. Do you know off hand the barrel diameter of the PW, the rc2000 is 3" I know that, and I want to say a PW is1-1/2" or 2"?

BTW I just saw they are out of stock at treestuff, is that just temporary?

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Yeah I totally agree, a portowrap is not gonna just pull apart any time soon. I dont know what the diameter of one is to be honest. I did have a couple in the past but paid no real attention to the dimensions at the time. I then upgraded to a Hobbs.

When Stein asked me to design their Lowering devices I thought it best to sell right away to put both respectively out of sight and mind before I started the process. I haven't seen or or used either since because I obviously have some Stein prototypes for my own personal use, right!

The answer's probably on a website somewhere.
 
I would love to get a RC2000 too, I've been a big fan of Reg since I first found his videos on YouTube. Good job on going with 3" diameter barrel Reg it fills the gap between the pow and bigger bollards such as the rc 3001 and others with similar diameters perfectly. I also like how it has the top mounting eye to help keep it upright. That will be the only lowering device I ever buy as I have made my own which have worked great for what I need. Let us know when you get it Nick. I might go ahead and order one when Luke gets them back in stock. Hey Reg did Luke ever get ahold of you? He was asking on facebook not too long ago if anyone knew how to get ahold of you, perhaps to order more rc 2000's... ???
 
I put the order in today for the RC2000. They are back ordered but I should expect it next week I am told. I am very excited!

Reg,

I regularly use the portawrap in a capacity similar as shown in the attached picture. I think I remember seeing in a video that you said that the top connection on the RC2000 is only rated to 250kg WLL? Do you have any data as to the shear strength of that in a straight pull?
 

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