SRT to Dbrt

Fairfield

Fairfield

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This was a question I was getting often from guys not climbing SRT for everything but just for access. How to smoothly change over to Dbrt from SRT. This is what I was doing prior to the SRT craze and all the new gear.
 
That is where I might be a little different, I don't change over, I use them together.
I have one climbing line like everyone else, but the DdRT sits on one end while I SRT somewhere else on the same line. To me it doesn't have to be an "either or" question or even switching from one to the other. Kind of like DSRT but I don't have to figure out all that reverable SRT stuff on the other line.
 
Washingtons crossing. YoYo, I know what you are saying and that works well too. The guys I am answering the question to on this though are only DbRT as of right now and looking to slowly transition. This safely and simply gets them started towards their goal.
 
Not to mention I have been seeing a lot of guys climbing on hand ascenders and foot ascender alone. That scares the crap out of me for safety reasons, so if I can have a guy understand this method and they were to have a shock load it will be most likely to a hitch and not a toothed ascender.
When I seen guys climbing and relying on a hand ascender I was in a way taken back a bit. I had been climbing on my own and when with other guys they have been way above my level, so I had taken for granted that others don't keep up with standards or techniques as much as guys on the forums or Facebook pages. It's easy to forget about them when I am in my own world most the time.
 
I must be missing something here but for me the whole change over idea is confusing. Just get on that stationary rope and GO! Of course there is a learning curve but if it's too much try it in the park or your back yard a few times before you try at work, no?
 
Levi, as much as I love SRT and that is what I started with 17 years ago, I can't expect every climber just to jump right on it. For some guys they will and for others they want to make sure it is for them but slowly. Some of these guys don't have the cash to spend on gear just to not feel comfortable doing it and end up having wasted the money. For others it's a step by step deal. If they go right to trying SRT as a whole it will be over whelming to them to learn. Although, if I break it down in steps they will pick it up safely and faster. Then the other side of it is, at work there are crews that only have guys climbing Dbrt. If a young new guy starts climbing SRT and does not have a full handle on it yet and doesn't set his system up right how would anyone else no the difference in order to stop him and correct him? Not saying that he should be learning on the job alone like that...... but I can't control what others do while I am not there.
 
Great video Jim. That's a great way to ascend srt then change over because that seems to be the gear most Ddrt guys already have.
 
LeviRockett said:
Re-program your mind, forget about Ddrt for awhile if you want to learn SRT. That's my approach.
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Yes levi, I'm with you that what I did. I posed the 'rope wrench challenge' to one of my Co workers, he accepted and is rope wrench all the time now also. You just have to force yourself to look at the work through a different lens.
Also, I hate change over. If I'm going to do something stupid, that's when I'm going to do it
 
Unless you've done extensive homework on srwp and practiced on your own time, switching from double to single in a production setting may slow things down
 
come on guys dont sell yourselves short. is that particular change over moment much different than advancing your system to a higher TIP?
good video and set up, it just would have been too much for me tho. before going full SRT i just went lanyard over the shoulder to my HC with a foot ascender and bring a F8. then just lanyard in, undo my anchor (or someone undo my base anchor) and its business as usual.
didnt some of you guys foot lock? thats a shitty change over, in my opinion. or advance a Blakes hitch thats NOT on a split tail?
no one take this the wrong way, cause im saying this everyones hype-man buddy, but if your not confident in changing over once reaching a TIP, should you be going up that high in the first place?
C'mon man!
 
I've adopted yoyoman's 'DdRT setup on the SRT rope tail' method. Ascend SRT with a canopy anchor, pull up the DdRT tail if or when you need it, set the DdRT while still on the SRT, clip into the DdRT. You are now on both systems and can work that way or unclip from the SRT and go DdRT only. If you need more rope for DdRT or have moved to another tree, you can pull on the DdRT tail to remove the SRT canopy anchor and bring the entire rope with you.

You're never unclipped from a fully functioning climbing system, have the choice of either or both and only use one rope.
 
Jem4417 said:
Unless you've done extensive homework on srwp and practiced on your own time, switching from double to single in a production setting may slow things down
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It slowed things down for a time for me, but in the long term, my employer is thrilled that I took the time, and he didn't really see any ill effects. That said, production is a strong word for the kind of company I work for.
 
yoyoman said:
Seemed like such a waist to just always drag that tail around without using it! Or take another with you. 200'rope = 2 100's or 1 150 with a 50 foot landyard...etc. Etc. It must be managed.
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I like these type of ideas although I am too fixated on being able to exit the tree quickly at all times if needed. Something one of my mentors drilled into my head.
 
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