Jeff_Cochran
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- Memphis TN
pics of uncomplicated srt systems. bored with marbars and foot locking
srt systems
- Thread starter Jeff_Cochran
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- Lexington, Kentucky
rope wrench+vt hitch+tending pulley=awesome. this is as simple as it gets. you can foot lock either by extending the system out with a tether, or keep it short and sit on your hitch after every lock. works great. add in a pantin if you want to get away from foot locking. for longer ascents, add in a hand ascender with a foot strap. the first three things are the core of it all though.
- Location
- White Rock, BC
i agree with rangerdanger, wrench or a uni. how do you post pics? i got a uni mod to show
Jeff_Cochran
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- Memphis TN
sounds awesome shane! ranger thanks but i want to get away from friction hitches for a minute
- Location
- Gladwin Mi
Rope Wrench, Michocan and Hitch climber pulley. Pantin on right foot and I am good to go.
- Location
- south carolina
If you want to get away from friction hitches get a uni.
Crazy_Jimmy
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- Texas
It sounds like you refering to ascending,because you said footlocking and Marbars.Just try a simple frog walker system.Pantin,handles ascender,homemade footloop and a croll with a little biner and some shock cord.I know you got some big trees in your neck of the woods and this would by far be the most efficient setup.You could incorporate a uni or rope wrench into both of these systems.
KentuckySawyer
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- Louisville
What Jimmy said.
Jeff_Cochran
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- Memphis TN
yeah i have been thinking uni and a pantin with a handled ascender. i just don't think i'm ready to work at severe rope angles on a single line. body thrusting with a uni or rope wrench must suck and i have a lot of that to do where i'm from drop a set of limbs bt back up through work the next set back down over and over. is it really that fast to set back into accent mode to go up ten~twenty feet? with the redirects do you have to pull the tail of the rope all the way through?
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- Retired in Minneapolis
The Uni works easily for ascending. You can use your lanyard over your shoulder and clip into the top hole turning the Uni into a 'chest ascender'. I prefer a small elastic loop around my neck as a tether.
One of the beauties of SRT is not having to retail your rope after going through redi's. Be careful though, I've done that before and left so much friction behind that it was hard to retrieve the rope behind me.
You can drop a candy cane down a redi ahead of you too. Then, pull the candy cane back up and over from below.
What do you mean 'severe rope' angles? Closer to horizontal rather than vertical? If so, this is another great place for SRT. Setting up a good slack tender is critical. Since SRT is 1:1 the slack tender is twice as responsive and smooth.
One of the beauties of SRT is not having to retail your rope after going through redi's. Be careful though, I've done that before and left so much friction behind that it was hard to retrieve the rope behind me.
You can drop a candy cane down a redi ahead of you too. Then, pull the candy cane back up and over from below.
What do you mean 'severe rope' angles? Closer to horizontal rather than vertical? If so, this is another great place for SRT. Setting up a good slack tender is critical. Since SRT is 1:1 the slack tender is twice as responsive and smooth.
KentuckySawyer
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- Louisville
Here is a shot of what I'm using now. Basic Frog setup. On top of the Croll you'll see a key biner. This clips to the cross piece of the Buckingham suspenders I use on my TM. The small blue tenex is a left foot loop. Pantin on the right foot. Probably faster to setup than a footlock prussic. I carry a small bag up with me and stash everything when I get to the TIP. Send the gear down or climb with it from there.
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KentuckySawyer
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- Louisville
Close up of the lower portion. 8mm Beeline tethers me to the upper ascender as well. As others have said, you could use a piece of shock cord around your neck on the Croll. I like just using me suspenders. Or you could go all Kevin Bingham and use your lanyard over your shoulder.
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KentuckySawyer
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- Louisville
Jeff_Cochran
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- Memphis TN
awesome!
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Here is a shot of what I'm using now. Basic Frog setup. On top of the Croll you'll see a key biner. This clips to the cross piece of the Buckingham suspenders I use on my TM. The small blue tenex is a left foot loop. Pantin on the right foot. Probably faster to setup than a footlock prussic. I carry a small bag up with me and stash everything when I get to the TIP. Send the gear down or climb with it from there.
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Know this post is from a few months ago. Have a question about your system. I too use the exact same thing. I tend to worry about the cams failing, should i be concerned?? Meaning wont the handled ascender back up the croll and vice versa. I have been using a friction hitch above the handled ascender... Is this just too redundant??
Also, would this set up be aloud in a competition?? I believe many used the frog at ITCC in Australia
Here is a shot of what I'm using now. Basic Frog setup. On top of the Croll you'll see a key biner. This clips to the cross piece of the Buckingham suspenders I use on my TM. The small blue tenex is a left foot loop. Pantin on the right foot. Probably faster to setup than a footlock prussic. I carry a small bag up with me and stash everything when I get to the TIP. Send the gear down or climb with it from there.
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Know this post is from a few months ago. Have a question about your system. I too use the exact same thing. I tend to worry about the cams failing, should i be concerned?? Meaning wont the handled ascender back up the croll and vice versa. I have been using a friction hitch above the handled ascender... Is this just too redundant??
Also, would this set up be aloud in a competition?? I believe many used the frog at ITCC in Australia
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- Retired in Minneapolis
If the same criteria for accepting DdRT tools/systems is applied to SRT tools/systems there shouldn't be any issues with the comps.
If these criteria were published then any issues could be solved before gear inspection.
If these criteria were published then any issues could be solved before gear inspection.
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- Asheville, NC
Often I use an ascender, pantin, my regular hitch/pulley combo. You make your progression the same motion as you would footlocking, not like a frog system. The hitch just floats on my ring to serve as a backup to the ascender, so it's already installed on the line, and to use at the changeover.
I use my lanyard as an adjustable tether for the ascender. When I reach my TIP the only thing I have extra for the rest of the climb is an ascender and the locking carabiner it is attached to. If you use a basic ascender, which I do sometimes, you won't even know it's there.
To change over at the tie in point I step up in the pantin and weight my friction hitch. Then unclip the lanyard from the ascender an put it around a limb or the TIP. Stow your ascender, set up your cambium saver and go.
I would like to try a rope wrench though...
I use my lanyard as an adjustable tether for the ascender. When I reach my TIP the only thing I have extra for the rest of the climb is an ascender and the locking carabiner it is attached to. If you use a basic ascender, which I do sometimes, you won't even know it's there.
To change over at the tie in point I step up in the pantin and weight my friction hitch. Then unclip the lanyard from the ascender an put it around a limb or the TIP. Stow your ascender, set up your cambium saver and go.
I would like to try a rope wrench though...
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If the same criteria for accepting DdRT tools/systems is applied to SRT tools/systems there shouldn't be any issues with the comps.
If these criteria were published then any issues could be solved before gear inspection.
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I see your point, however with competitions it states that every mechanical device shall be backed up. That is not the case with Ddrt, as if your foot-locking with a prussik you don't back up the foot-lock prussik.
With SRT and the use of mechanical devises they must be backed up. I guess this is my question. Would the Frog system qualify as an accepted system, where each ascender is backing the other?? Or is there still a need for a friction hitch tied above the handled ascender??
Also, people who use the frog system at work, what are you using. Do you have any concerns about the device???
If the same criteria for accepting DdRT tools/systems is applied to SRT tools/systems there shouldn't be any issues with the comps.
If these criteria were published then any issues could be solved before gear inspection.
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I see your point, however with competitions it states that every mechanical device shall be backed up. That is not the case with Ddrt, as if your foot-locking with a prussik you don't back up the foot-lock prussik.
With SRT and the use of mechanical devises they must be backed up. I guess this is my question. Would the Frog system qualify as an accepted system, where each ascender is backing the other?? Or is there still a need for a friction hitch tied above the handled ascender??
Also, people who use the frog system at work, what are you using. Do you have any concerns about the device???
treebing
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- Detroit, Mi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LykX1Oy...mp;feature=plcp
In this system, You are only attached by the friction hitch. You can attach an upper ascender and also tie into that but I advise against it. Tie a solid Hitch or use a unicender. This can be sent as a running bowline into the tree and when you reach the bowline, simply clip into it and you are directly into your ddrt.
In this system, You are only attached by the friction hitch. You can attach an upper ascender and also tie into that but I advise against it. Tie a solid Hitch or use a unicender. This can be sent as a running bowline into the tree and when you reach the bowline, simply clip into it and you are directly into your ddrt.
