splice bury

[Clay]

Most rope makers' splicing directions mark off bury length on the standing end where you loose a little bit of length when done. Rope makers directions are on the conservative/long side, though by much more than what you actually loose compared to say Brion's guidelines. Brion do you measure out bury length on the standing end or the tail? How do the rest of you measure?

I keep putting splicing stuff in "Climber's talk" 'cause that's where most of the posts are, would you guys rather have this in the general page?

 

[NickfromWI]

Are you asking how far to bring the tapered tail OUT before it gets sucked back in after a final tapering? A 12" tail would come out like 18" down from where it starts. This should give you the freedom to pull more through to finish the taper, but then still have it ALL get sucked back in.

After your first few splices, you'll see this is not a mark you actually have to physically put on the rope. You'll get to the point where you can eyeball it and it'll work. At the end you're left with a cleaner splice this way.

Let's see some of your pics, clay!

love
nick

 

[rich_h]

I couldn't agree more with Nick. Maybe I am just a wee bit anal with my splices but it is not very difficult to avoid leaving any marks on your ropes when splicing. If you are not comfortable with eye-balling the bury length you can always mark the spot temporarily with a piece of masking tape and remove it once you are finished.

 

[Clay]

Thanks for the info guys. I was following yale's directions: For example they say mark out 1 full and 1 short fid on the standing end, bury the tail at the close mark and pull out at the second mark, milk back, mark the tail and that's where you cut it by fanning out and cutting at an angle.

If you measure between those two marks after the tail is buried in the standing part, the distance will be shorter so I wondered if that's how every one else did it or do you measure the length on the tail before the bury is started so bury length=x not bury length=x-little bit.

 

[Clay]

The whoopie sling I was working on

 

[Clay]

and the section that made me question bury length. If you put your fid in and come out at one fid length, after the rope is passed through, even with the "standing end" milked out, the distance afterwards is not a full fid. It's the same with any splice if the distance used to gauge bury length is measured on the standing end vs. the tail.

 

[Clay]

yeah, I put the photos in the wrong order