Slippery alternative to running bowline

Eric H-L

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Phil showed this to Kristian this weekend in Indianapolis. I am going crazy trying to figure out if this knot has a name or even it might be previously unknown? It works like a running bowline but it spills instantly even after heavy loading. If you have any information about this knot I am all ears! Here is a link to the youtube video.
 

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A bit over thought imo,it's a fkn jammed up slip knot mang. Look at the redirect thread and they are talking about using a stick to jam it up and having a cord attached to the stick making a remotely retrievable redirect for srt[emoji33]
 
Sgriff: I looked at the redirect thread. Thanks! I got the feeling everyone is cautious about the fiddle sticks. Phil seemed to be using this knot for rigging not life support, but once its out there... Ashley Book of Knots has lots of fiddle sticks. He calls them toggles. (See ABoK # 392)


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Not sure how relevant this is, but some people are using the Rolling Bowline, I repeat "Rolling" Bowline in a simmilar way. I can't quite tell if what you have in this thread it is a Running Rolling Bowline:D.
The Rolling Bowline - it cinches on a limb and then can be released by pulling the bitter end...here it is called the Mooring hitch. http://www.animatedknots.com/mooring/#ScrollPoint

Also I haven't found anyone that really knows the whole story about the 'Rolling' Bowline.
 
Well that mooring hitch is exactly what they tying in this thread am I mistaken? Never heard of a rolling bowline aside from someone not knowing how to tie the knot and it rolling apart.
 
Here is the thread I first saw this: http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/anyone-familiar-with-this-knot.33420/#post-484018
and here: http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/rolling-bowline.12470/#post-172385
But I still can't really find it called a Rolling Bowline, it seems like a lot of people call a Running Bowline a rolling bowline by mistake.

But the one demonstrated in this thread is slightly different in that there is a loop that runs rather than a cinching knot sort of deal. If you look at the Mooring Hitch the line actually cinches at that "marlin spike" point (if you know what I'm talking about). That's why I was wondering if what is in this thread is a Running Mooring Hitch...that is, a mooring hitch cinched around the rope to form a loop rather than the traditional way of cinching the mooring hitch directly to the limb forming a tight cinching knot rather than the loose loop like the running bowline. It is hard to keep this all straight, sorry.
 
Both the knot I was shown (edited: really the knot I tied wrong) and the mooring hitch have one thing in common with a real bowline: all three have the round turn sometimes described as the rabbit hole and tree. (I was just on a knot forum and someone called it a nipping turn).
I am having difficulty describing this with words. It's easier for me if I focus on the loop without talking about the standing part it's tied around to form a noose. Just talking about the loop; on the knot I was shown the nipping turn or round turn is in the standing part just like a bowline. In the case of the mooring hitch, the nipping turn is formed in the bitter end. One other observation: Although it is not as secure as a bowline, the knot I was shown, when carefully dressed and set, does not cinch down. Phil said he has used it a lot even with heavy loads. He did not say anything about the loop cinching on the standing.
(Edited: My apologies. My attempt to recreate the knot was wrong. I want to take back what I said here. The real video knot *does* look like a running mooring hitch dressed to not cinch down)
 
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John_KAYS. Thanks for finding those old threads about the rolling bowline. "running, rolling bowline" great name! I don't think the mooring hitch animation is the same knot but maybe climbers have called two different knots the rolling bowline.
(Edited: I take it back! Running Rolling Bowline it is! I think I was tying something different in the red rope.)

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I think I got it wrong in the knot I tied in the red rope. Looking at the video some more it may be in fact the running mooring hitch or running rolling bowline.


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I am now convinced this is what is being demonstrated in the video. (thanks to the International Guild of Knot Tiers for additional help)
 

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