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Well sir I dont see your point .The terrorist come from iraq .Sadam was a big freedom hater with bin laden.They have attacked us and caused us a great sad day in new york and the whole free world.I look within and see pride and confidence in my neighbors and americans to stop the hatred that the terrorist have and stop the real ability they have to cause us harm by sucker punches .If The japanese wanted a fight in ww2 the just bomed pearl.If the germans wanted a war they just tryed to do it in our face.But these guys are gutless worms who wont even own up to who is responsible....love it or leave it still sounds good to me..peace..robdog
 

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Maybe this thread will escalate into a political/criminal discussion after all.

Was the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor not a "sucker punch"? Had they declared war on us before doing it? Did the Germans actually declare war on the U.S.?

I don't for a minute believe that what tragically happened in the northeast a few years ago was the result of a few middle-eastern terrorists sucker-punching us. Most certainly not all of what happened even if there might have been antagonistic middle-easterners actually involved. Do you think it's at all possible that "they" don't "own up to" who's responsible because they don't know?

Be that as it may, sucker-punching is often thought of as something less than honorable by those who got so punched. Trouble is they are likely as not to be the ones who have the less honor to begin with, depending on all the real details and who gets asked.

Do you think the English liked the fact that the Yankees wouldn't always face them "like a man" lined up in the middle of the battle field, but instead often hid behind trees and rocks to pick them off piecemeal? Who had the more honor in that war? That question is decided differently depending on which side one is on. Is there a current conflict you can think of where the invading forces aren't encountering opposition in the open?

Don't forget; might doesn't always make right.

Those folks over there have basically been living the same way for ten times as long as we've been an independent country. Is it really our place to march in and set them straight on how to live?
 
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Those folks over there have basically been living the same way for ten times as long as we've been an independent country. Is it really our place to march in and set them straight on how to live?

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Two worlds apart. They have factions like Shite's, Kurds etc that like the Palestinian's and Israelis continually fight over governance and independence ... just like Serbs and Croates did in Bosnia etc.

Yes, the soldiers deserve respect and honour for the task, but they are but pawns in a game, not their fault.

The nut cases that bomb and carry on are not true Muslims but fanatical nutters brainwashed with BS ... however that's their way of making a mark.

Think about it, just like that out of the blue the powers that be gave a chunk of Palestine to the Jews who call it Israel.

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

Stiff cheddar to those who have been there almost 2000 years and you wonder why the Jews get attacked. Best and most effective covert method is suicide bombers. Take the fight to the people, after all they're the ones who moved in there.

Now what is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't too different. The problem is that these people cant settle their differences and there will be extremists.

Saddam ruled with an iron fist and kept it together, even before the war started the political analysts said that Iraq consisted of a number of major factions who would try to break up and seek independence ... just like the Balkans.

Anything similar to this happen in your neck of the woods? Perhaps south vs north, Ireland vs England etc, heck, the Brits had been getting bombed for years by the IRA.

The fact that they have a religion, Islam or otherwise, is near irrelavent, but they do all consider Christians the infidel or enemy. It's their town, their choice as to who they have has a God.

The problem wont go away, maybe a carve up to independent countries would be the wisest but they'd still fight over which piece they get.

Very complex issue, and be assured if you support the Jews with military you automatically become a target. Why did the Twin Towers cop it etc, an iconic extremist point be made that regarless of your military you are touchable ... all the time. I guarantee you that there was some underlying factual anti-Islamic or anti-Arab things happening, whether that be trade, money or support for adversiaries like Israel.

And already Bush has announced a coalition of the willing to have a go at Iran if the UN doesn't do as it wants. You wonder why? The answers in front of your face.

If I'm fighting with my neighbour over something what right do you have to come here and stick your nose in it? You may find both my neighbour and I join together to fight a common foe. And that may be what is happening as the "accused" are forming a coalition of the defence against the "infidel".

Anyway, not everything American is good you know.
 
I can't wonder why people are dumb enough to say things like 9/11 was an Iraqi thing.

There's the matter of responsiblity. Personal or cultural. If someone thinks the WTC attack had anything to do with Iraq, they should have their internet connection severed.

Come on Dawggg, get with the program. The national one all the way down to your household one.
 
This was a bad idea to post that link in the first place. You guys just take it and slaughter it.

Tommorrow is Memorial Day, A day to remember our fighting heroes. Why dont you shut the f up.
 
Treedr you had the best intentions of showing a great things for our troops and you did it. I have budds from highschool over there and have some budds that came back. In all it was a cool slideshow, and for my uncle and brother in the armed forces I do honor them and our troops.

Yes the WTC was a great saddening for the world and now we all deal with it our own ways, we all have pent up presure about it and if this is how we get it out well you did even a better thing treedr.

To this day even when I work on the campus I am reminded everyday about Islam when I see Middle easteners going to classes, no I do not hate them or put them down. For they maybe a different culture they are doing something that will make them better. I have friends of Islamic culture born and raised in USA and they too hate what happened in WTC.

Thaks treedr you did a great deal here, you sorta had a kinda anger therapy for us .
 
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I disagree. THanks for posting it. Whatever people get out of it is beyond your control, accept it. I appreciate it.
 

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Allright wilt you drew first blood but in the spirt of Tom and Mark and with respect to this site I will refrain from lowering myself.Not one to shy away from a fight since I am so good at it.But with the words being so sharp and rude with a little disrespect thrown in here we go.

I have many friends in iraq and do not care for war.When 911 happened we all wondered how it happened and since it seems you are from texas the home of the Bush clan it would seem you would have been dissapointed the SR. didnt get the job done in the first go round.Now why not celebrate Jr. and his honor all be it late but expected.
I have nothing bad to say about your post and respect you words .I am with the program ,my DAD WAS ON THE MISSOURI when they signed the treaty and several of my friends are in service now including my son.I voted for gore in Jr. bush 1st go round and I am glad he lost.In my opinion He couldnt fight his was outta a paper bag.The only good reason I voted for him was the green industry.he was going to be the Arborist president right!
I am with My program Dont be critical if you dont know me.I am just like many others I hate war but will not wine like a baby when my country has decided to send troups to battle.I support them and will not allow detractors to sway me or mine,which means let others here burn the flag,cuss the government and blame us instead of bin laden and sadaam.Because we must be to blame .Oh by the way we must be to blame for all the terrorist training camps in saudi arabia,iraq,iran,afganistan and even here in the u.s.a. I am not the writer that you guys are it is clear but I havnt thrown knives at you blindly . www.wildernesstree.com
 

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