For the record I think the foresterwear knock offs a garbage and have a poor fit. I have and like the new arborwear streach tech although it seems to me that they run large and have just a bit to much fabric for a streach pant. I just got some Sip Progress and I love them and the fit like a glove, it just sucks that sherrill has to silkscreen their logo down the leg, not very classy. Also got a pair of the gladiators from fanner a few weeks ago, they are hot for texas but no hotter than a pair of carhart or arborwear cotten dubble knee pant and that is preety good for chainsaw pants here in texas, in the summer. The range of movement is about the same too. For my money I would have to say that you can't beat a pair of Arborwear nylon tech pants to get the job done in the summer. Now to boots, If anyone is looking for a good brand try Danner, I'm curently wearing a pair of their pronhorns as my climbing boots and they are working out just great! Also, why is Sherrill the only one with sips and phanner in the US?